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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Simple 'NO' for all the reasons stated above, and more.
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Old 23.05.2012, 17:10
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Phil is this a wind up??

What sort of pressure can they really put on you?
What's wrong with just "NO I will not marry your daughter just so she gets a permit!"

I can't really look at this in any other way other than a wind up!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Friends would not ask you to do this.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

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Funny situation, a friend of the family has a daughter who wants to move to Switzerland to work. Non-EU country to permit is an issue.

To cut a long story short, I have been asked if I will marry her so she can get a B Permit (not sure if this works or not as I am non-Swiss).

To me, it has bad idea written all over it but I need to come up with some objective reasons against it.

So, would this work? And what could possible go wrong?

FML.
With friends like that, Phil, who needs enemies?
What kind of a friend puts someone in such an embarrassing situation?
From your posts, you're obviously a very intelligent chap, so I can't imagine you'll ponder this for too long.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

So you say no, without checking her out first? She could be the woman of your dreams! Perhaps she fancies you and this is a ruse to get you interested.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

If she didnt live with you, she would at least have to live with you on paper. And she would probably have problems finding somewhere else to live unless she could be hidden from the landlord. Awkward.
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Old 23.05.2012, 17:23
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

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With friends like that, Phil, who needs enemies?
What kind of a friend puts someone in such an embarrassing situation?
From your posts, you're obviously a very intelligent chap, so I can't imagine you'll ponder this for too long.
without going into details, it is basically village politics from Hong Kong and an old favour is being called in.

thanks for the suggestions. i think "i have a gf and am planning to get married in a couple of years" is probably the winning line. although this puts a bit of pressure on me to find a gf!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

tell the family to drop them as friends. It's a 16th century idea and only has downsides for you.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

and on top of all that there are tax issues if you're both working, you'll pay a lot more of it, is she going to make sure your never out of pocket?

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but get a picture of her first and post it up here, its the only way to get an informed opinion (you'll need pics from all angles and dressed / undressed)
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Old 23.05.2012, 17:29
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So you say no, without checking her out first? She could be the woman of your dreams! Perhaps she fancies you and this is a ruse to get you interested.
as an extremely picky person, i think there is more chance that she would have a winning lottery ticket than be the woman of my dreams!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a wind-up, the situation may very well be real, and if I read correctly between the lines, Phil couldn't give a rat's a** about the whole thing, except the people are longtime friends of the family, and therefore a less than convincing (to them) answer might cause discomfort/trouble/embarrassment to the family.

Please note: I am not saying I agree with this view. Actually I completely disagree, and so would my mom and dad, but I have family members who would think that way - and that's why we are the "black sheeps" in the extended family!

Phil, if "illegal" doesn't work, then "I already have someone in my life" might be your best bet - if they are unconvinced, produce pictures of the "fake girlfriend" (i.e. a pic with a friend at a social event - obviously inform the friend!). Your biggest risk here may be that then they keep asking you to meet the "girlfriend" - but this fictitious relationship can end at some point, no?

Another acceptable option you can use is that, due to the nature of your work, you will for sure be asked to move from Switzerland at an undefined, but certain period of time within the next X months/years, and therefore, being unable to guarantee your stay in the country and the consequent maintenance of your work visa, you are unable to guarantee the same for an eventual spouse.

Good luck - I know family can be a pain sometimes.

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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

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without going into details, it is basically village politics from Hong Kong and an old favour is being called in.
Well if it's village politics then you're SOL. Some of these things are tough and depending on the favour being called in, there might be no way out for you other than to get married to her
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Old 23.05.2012, 17:33
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Re: Should I get married?

did you watch the movie "Green Card"? Just wait til the authorities come over for the interviews...ok, that is how it happens in the US, but this can never be a good idea. Marriage is a legal binding contract, right? Harder to get out of than the Swiss AGB on internet purchases...
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Old 23.05.2012, 17:35
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Phil, if "illegal" doesn't work, then "I already have someone in my life" might be your best bet
it definitely is. they might not understand why being illegal is a problem, but they do understand that a man of my age should be married by now and they also understand that a gf would be very angry at such a proposal and would not be someone to be trifled with!
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without going into details, it is basically village politics from Hong Kong and an old favour is being called in.

thanks for the suggestions. i think "i have a gf and am planning to get married in a couple of years" is probably the winning line. although this puts a bit of pressure on me to find a gf!
Why would that be? Do you have to prove them that you have a GF or is this some kind of encoded message
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Now if you want to knot, that's different
Corrected for you!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

I hope for your sake that they do not know of EF
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Just considering possibilities here, but what if the woman's family in reality wants you as their daughter's husband? You may follow through with this and then find yourself pressured to actually perform husbandly-type duties after you secure her permit. Including spawning.
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Re: Should I get married?

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did you watch the movie "Green Card"? Just wait til the authorities come over for the interviews...
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My first thoughts went to Andie MacDowell and Gérard Dépardieu, in fact.


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Just wait til the authorities come over for the interviews...ok, that is how it happens in the US, but this can never be a good idea.
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Emil's Schweizermacher don't go easy on foreigners' marriages and naturalization either.

However, the main concern would not be that something would be illegal or authorities could find out (even with all negative consequences),

but rather that any person could quite easily see and find out every day, if you are not living together or spending your time together (e.g. if she randomly turns up to get her mail correspondence). And that would be hell, as anyone could blackmail you easily for years to come.

Arranged marriages are practically quite impossible to hide from neighbors' view.


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If she didnt live with you, she would at least have to live with you on paper. And she would probably have problems finding somewhere else to live unless she could be hidden from the landlord. Awkward.
Not only from the landlord.


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Friends would not ask you to do this.
I wouldn't blame people who are in real need, who try at all cost to stay in a country as otherwise they would lose everything or quite everything.

Doesn't seem to be the case here, however.
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Just considering possibilities here, but what if the woman's family in reality wants you as their daughter's husband? You may follow through with this and then find yourself pressured to actually perform husbandly-type duties after you secure her permit. Including spawning.
And if the thought of spawning doesn't put him off, nothing will!
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