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Old 23.05.2012, 18:24
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Don't do it

But first, say you aren't sure and can you get a test drive before making your mind up...
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Be carefull risky business..

To get a B pemit, you either have a job or have a mean of support/income..

But again, what about you find the love of you life? :/

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Funny situation, a friend of the family has a daughter who wants to move to Switzerland to work. Non-EU country to permit is an issue.

To cut a long story short, I have been asked if I will marry her so she can get a B Permit (not sure if this works or not as I am non-Swiss).

To me, it has bad idea written all over it but I need to come up with some objective reasons against it.

So, would this work? And what could possible go wrong?

FML.
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Old 23.05.2012, 19:25
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Well, this was one of my questions. How quickly could I get a divorce again etc. etc. and then where would it leave my ex-wife from a permit perspective? or would she keep the permit for the 5 years?
You know this woman is going to take 1/2 of at least some of your stuff right? Like your pension fund while you are married. This really does have BAD idea written all over it.

You don't plan to live with her? Sham marriage. Bye-bye permit. Might as well just pack now.
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Old 23.05.2012, 19:51
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

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they do understand that a man of my age should be married by now
42 times more preferable to be alone than with the wrong person. And just frak society's "shoulds" and "should nots".
Needless to say, I advise you not to do it.
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Old 23.05.2012, 20:12
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Arranged marriages are practically quite impossible to hide from neighbors' .
this is not an arranged marriage, it is a sham marriage.
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Old 23.05.2012, 23:06
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Phil..
You could be compromising your future permit even by suggesting it.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Don't ask me how I know about this stuff but in CH sham marriages are much more complicated than they are in France, for example (France gives you your carte de sejour after a year of marriage free and clear, or at least they did in my time). I'm repeating some stuff already said above, but

-do the people who want you to get married know that you have to stay together at least 3 years and as close to 5 as possible? The 3 years is not free and clear- it is the point at which it becomes possible but it is in no way automatic. If the person is unemployed or doesn't speak the language, for example, they can lose their permit at the 3 year mark. I know from sad experience 5 years is a long time with someone who doesn't love you and wants someone else. This isn't France or the US. While spouses of EU don't have to live at the same address the way married to Swiss do, it is one of those things that looks bad when she wants to renew her B after five years, so she would have to at least be registered at your house at renewal time. Good luck explaining that to a gf in 3 or 4 years.

- she gets half your second pillar accrued during the marriage by law, that is a small chunk of change for most people, is she going to be able to pay you back that in cash at the three year mark (because it is transferred from second pillar to second pillar). Or how would you work that out at the divorce, would you miss that money? If for whatever reason she and her family were vindictive or money grubbing types, they could fight in court for more of your savings and stuff, but half that second pillar is the minimum.

-It is less bad for EU than for Swiss people but there are stories about the cops coming to the house and looking for stuff like two toothbrushes and a double bed if they suspect sham marriages. Y'all will have to try very hard to look like you live together and like each other. I personally know people who have lost their permit because the authorities didn't believe them.

- there are so many things in Switzerland that are hard to do if you are married, like rent an apartment. For various reasons, I wanted my current apartment in my name only, and the agency insisted my husband be on the rental agreement. I wasn't able to split my health insurance into mine and his either. It unevenly enforced but a lot of times if you are married the other person has to sign stuff. And you'll have to sign stuff for her which will make you liable financially or legally and vice versa. Do you know how trustworthy she is to even do that?

-Finally, spouses have an obligation to take care of each other under Swiss law. So if for whatever reason you two have worked out an arrangement and then suddenly she can't work, becomes disabled, or just plain loses her job, you are legally liable for some of her living expenses.

I'm so sorry these people are pressuring you (some cultures can be very insistent) and I hope you find a way to say no without cutting ties. The most effective argument people in my entourage have found is the 5 year rule. Even they thought 5 years was too long.
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Re: Should I get married?

A reason? Why do you have to give any reason? What is wrong with a straight "No."
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

for those who didn't already see, the solution is found in post #27.

on the subject of citizenship...

http://realcitizenshiptest.co.uk/quiz.php?n=1

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Old 23.05.2012, 23:34
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

And what if you get her pregnant. You'll have to wheel your little troll-lets ahem....life choices around the supermarket or on the train drawing the ire of miserable gits on the English Forum.....

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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Yeah. We read #22. We just want to reinforce how bad an idea it is, just in case you have any doubts what so ever!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Sometimes marrying the person also means being responsible for the spouse´s family ( sponsor / bring in siblings, parents etc. - Familiennachzug of the cultural kind ).
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To top up the above advice, you do realise that if she runs up big debts - YOU will be responsible for them if she does not/can't pay? A friend of mine is going through this, and it is NOT nice!

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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

So it's a wind up huh
Hope not one of zee ones that comes back to bite ya on zee backside
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Old 23.05.2012, 23:42
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So it's a wind up huh
Hope not one of zee ones that comes back to bite ya on zee backside
tss tss
Wait, what!? I was looking at #27. The "I have a girl friend" excuse.

Bad Phil, Bad!
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

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wtf? i'm never getting married!
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without going into details, it is basically village politics from Hong Kong and an old favour is being called in.

thanks for the suggestions. i think "i have a gf and am planning to get married in a couple of years" is probably the winning line. although this puts a bit of pressure on me to find a gf!
Tell them you are already married. I don't think the payback extends to having to divorce to remarry.
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

On the other hand, it could be your only chance of walking down the aisle
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Re: Should I get married? ( to assist a non-EU for a B permit )

Did you actually speak with her or only with her family? Maybe she herself is as opposed to the idea as you are?...
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exactly. simply being illegal wouldn't really be a good reason for them and then i will be left it a bit of an awkward position, so i am trying to find an 'acceptable' reason.
I know it's hard to say "no" to a good friend, but I'd think "simply being illegal" is one HELL of a good reason not to do it!
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