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Old 30.05.2012, 17:54
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Work permit expires within the period of unemployment benefit. Can it be renewed?

I have asked the question as 'Can I have my permit renewed while having the unemployment benefit' to Population Office. The answer was : NO. Because you are no longer with the current employer.

So I figured out maybe I should ask the another way: Can I OBTAIN a permit while having unemployment benefit which allows me to search for a job while staying in Switzerland?

I have not received an answer yet, and their telephone number is so busy that almost not possible to reach...

Anybody has any idea? Thanks!
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Old 30.05.2012, 18:12
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I have asked the question as 'Can I have my permit renewed while having the unemployment benefit' to Population Office. The answer was : NO. Because you are no longer with the current employer.

So I figured out maybe I should ask the another way: Can I OBTAIN a permit while having unemployment benefit which allows me to search for a job while staying in Switzerland?

I have not received an answer yet, and their telephone number is so busy that almost not possible to reach...

Anybody has any idea? Thanks!
If you used the search function you would discover the same question has been asked many times. The unemployment office are your new employer & will apply for a new permit on your behalf.
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Old 30.05.2012, 19:43
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Re: Work permit expires within the period of unemployment benefit. Can it be renewed?

First, what fatmanfilms said. Second, this is a tricky one. When I was researching the same situation, I got 4 (!) different answers from 4 different sources, including 2 lawyers. I dare suggest that it depends on the type of permit, below is a link with some info on the topic at the end of the paragraph for B ("unlimited" B)..

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...willigung.html

..and I suspect cases are handled on individual basis. One of the lawyers I was talking to at the time told me to prepare for a negative answer and to file an appeal as FOM has adopted a policy to renew as few permits as possible for those on unemployment benefits. Talk to your advisor at the unemployment bureau asap. I seriously doubt they at the migration office will be of help. Good luck!
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First, what fatmanfilms said. Second, this is a tricky one. When I was researching the same situation, I got 4 (!) different answers from 4 different sources, including 2 lawyers. I dare suggest that it depends on the type of permit, below is a link with some info on the topic at the end of the paragraph for B ("unlimited" B)..

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...willigung.html

..and I suspect cases are handled on individual basis. One of the lawyers I was talking to at the time told me to prepare for a negative answer and to file an appeal as FOM has adopted a policy to renew as few permits as possible for those on unemployment benefits. Talk to your advisor at the unemployment bureau asap. I seriously doubt they at the migration office will be of help. Good luck!
Exactly! I searched and found the posts but got different answers.

OCP do not answer my question directly so far. So can I only sit and wait to see what will happen??
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Old 30.05.2012, 21:08
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Re: Work permit expires within the period of unemployment benefit. Can it be renewed?

[QUOTE=fatmanfilms;1570591]If you used the search function you would discover the same question has been asked many times. The unemployment office are your new employer & will apply for a new permit on your behalf.[/QUOTE

I did. But answers in the forum are different.

Only hope what you say is all true!
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If you used the search function you would discover the same question has been asked many times. The unemployment office are your new employer & will apply for a new permit on your behalf.[/QUOTE

I did. But answers in the forum are different.

Only hope what you say is all true!
If you read the link you quoted you would see the following:-

"In practice, an annual permit is normally renewed as long as its holder is able to draw a daily allowance from the unemployment insurance. In such cases, however, the holder is not actually entitled to a renewal of the permit"

Which might explain why a lawyer might give you the wrong answer.
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If you read the link you quoted you would see the following:-

"In practice, an annual permit is normally renewed as long as its holder is able to draw a daily allowance from the unemployment insurance. In such cases, however, the holder is not actually entitled to a renewal of the permit"

Which might explain why a lawyer might give you the wrong answer.
I was just reading that too. Sounds contradictary...they will or will not give a permit??
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I was just reading that too. Sounds contradictary...they will or will not give a permit??
The will give you a permit unless you cause problems or have been a problem whilst in CH!
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The will give you a permit unless you cause problems or have been a problem whilst in CH!
Thanks!

In such case means 'criminal offences, dependence on social security or the labor market'. So I wonder what 'dependence on social security or the labor market' means. What annoys me is that so far they can not provide a clear answer...
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In such case means 'criminal offences, dependence on social security or the labor market'. So I wonder what 'dependence on social security or the labor market' means. What annoys me is that so far they can not provide a clear answer...
If your on or have recieved social benefits you will NOT get your permit renewed, unemployment benefit is a claim on insurance you have paid, it's totally OK.
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The will give you a permit unless you cause problems or have been a problem whilst in CH!
Will or Will not?
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If your on or have recieved social benefits you will NOT get your permit renewed, unemployment benefit is a claim on insurance you have paid, it's totally OK.
I am very sorry. Could you be more specific? It sounds really confusing to me. Would you please kindly explain what you mean? Many thanks!
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Will or Will not?
In normal circumstances you will get a permit for a year or so whilst on unemployment benefits.
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Re: Work permit expires within the period of unemployment benefit. Can it be renewed?

May I interject with a few more questions:

What happens if the unemployed (while under unemployment benefits) do not receive a new permit?
Does it mean he has to exit CH?

Does he mean he will not receive any more unemployment benefits? (Because there is a claus in this insurance that you must be in CH, attending the unemployment program etc).

I was almost in a similar position several moons ago. Therefore I would like to know.
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Re: Work permit expires within the period of unemployment benefit. Can it be renewed?

I decided to go to the OCP ( Office cantonal de la population) tomorrow morning before work. They open at 7:30. Always long queue. Hopefully by than they will give me a definite answer. Phone call, Emailing to them is not possible.

And I can not afford a misunderstanding. I am a Non EU citizen. I will have to leave the country if I do not get a permit even though I am entitled to Unemployment benefit..
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May I interject with a few more questions:

What happens if the unemployed (while under unemployment benefits) do not receive a new permit?
Does it mean he has to exit CH?

Does he mean he will not receive any more unemployment benefits? (Because there is a claus in this insurance that you must be in CH, attending the unemployment program etc).

I was almost in a similar position several moons ago. Therefore I would like to know.
If your permit expires & is not renewed you will have to leave. Depending on where your from you may be legally allowed to return as a visitor, however you won't get your unemployment benefits unless your living here.
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I decided to go to the OCP ( Office cantonal de la population) tomorrow morning before work. They open at 7:30. Always long queue. Hopefully by than they will give me a definite answer. Phone call, Emailing to them is not possible.

And I can not afford a misunderstanding. I am a Non EU citizen. I will have to leave the country if I do not get a permit even though I am entitled to Unemployment benefit..
There definite answer is NO. thats what the law says.

The unemployment office will get you a permit UNLESS YOUR A NUISANCE don't do anything......
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There definite answer is NO. thats what the law says.

The unemployment office will get you a permit UNLESS YOUR A NUISANCE don't do anything......
What happens to yezi, if he calls the office, visits them, and hounds them for an answer?
Will he qualify as a "nuisance"?


I am also non-EU and I fear that these "tactics" will be used to reduce the unemployment payouts to people like us, and that they are just going "by zer book".

Of course all my swiss friends and many people here, will say I am just making things up or making up conspiracy theories against the swiss officers.
If it doesn't happen to you, then you don't really know.

Good luck yezi!
Let us know what happens next.
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I decided to go to the OCP ( Office cantonal de la population) tomorrow morning before work. They open at 7:30. Always long queue. Hopefully by than they will give me a definite answer. Phone call, Emailing to them is not possible.

And I can not afford a misunderstanding. I am a Non EU citizen. I will have to leave the country if I do not get a permit even though I am entitled to Unemployment benefit..
yezi, in order to have your permit renewed you have to be receiving unemployment benefits, not just be entitled to them, i.e. you've already filled out and submitted the paperwork and such has been verified and approved by the authorities which pay out.. what exactly is your situation - I see you are still employed? have you received notice? registered with the unemployment bureau? and again, what type of permit are we talking about here?
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ps. do you have the possibility to address this with the person(s) who facilitated obtaining your original permit?
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