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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

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We sure need to contact the embassy... the way they work it is almost impossible.

You got us confused... We have a non-EU friend who just enrolled to Master in france and all its family followed BUT his spouse and children are swiss...
Swiss citizens have no restrictions if they wish to take residence in the EU.

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But I still find it weird - if someone is going to study in France, can't his family immediately follow?
Students are for the most part single... so laws are geared towards that. Not only in France - Switzerland is the same. There is no automatic right to family reunion for students.

In your case you obviously can not follow as you have no means to support yourself in France (no work permission applied for).

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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

I think I am not the problem. As far as I understand I can just come to longs visits every week from France, while I reside with my permit B in Switzerland.
The problem is with the kids! Assuming we will show that we have enough savings to support them for a year, will they be able to reside in France as dependents of my wife? Will they will be able to go to public kindergarden?

I'll update if we get an answers from the embassy.

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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Well, lucky that Shorrick Mk2 stepped in. I was off mark most of the time. I forgot to factor in the non EU bit for a start.
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Dear All,

It seems that the kids can join my wife with "visitor visa" which is valid for a year. Of course, we need to show that we have enough money to support them. That's at least what the non-official lady in the embassy told me.

It is also possible for me, but I'm not sure I need one:
  1. Can I register myself in my friends house in Switzerland although I'm just spending a few nights there?
  2. Is it OK for me to move back and forth from Switzerland and France (say, twice a week) with my B permit and without any official residency in France?
  3. I guess my question is this: What are the implication of registering myself when I initially come to start my work in Switzerland and get my B permit.
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Dear All,

It seems that the kids can join my wife with "visitor visa" which is valid for a year. Of course, we need to show that we have enough money to support them. That's at least what the non-official lady in the embassy told me.

It is also possible for me, but I'm not sure I need one:
  1. Can I register myself in my friends house in Switzerland although I'm just spending a few nights there?
  2. Is it OK for me to move back and forth from Switzerland and France (say, twice a week) with my B permit and without any official residency in France?
  3. I guess my question is this: What are the implication of registering myself when I initially come to start my work in Switzerland and get my B permit.
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You can register at your friend's house. Implication will be that you'll have to take up health insurance.

You can move back and forth but the French will eventually catch up and want to see a tax return if you spend more than 180 days a year in France - and especially so if you plan to put your kids in "public" kindergarten ( hint - it's not public, it belongs to the taxpayer ). If the French insist you take domicile in France, your B permit is revoked and you're back to square one.
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

All this mess is just for one year... we are moving back after a year.
In fact, I won't be in France more than 180 days in each calendar year.
I do understand that if my kids will use the public system it comes from the taxpayer... BUT I just want to find a solution in which my wife can study in France and be near her relatives, and I will work in Switzerland where I'm supposed.
We are not trying to cheat anyone, we are just looking for a legal way to do it all...

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All this mess is just for one year... we are moving back after a year.
In fact, I won't be in France more than 180 days in each calendar year.
Days OR nights... What matters is you center of interest, which is defined by where your family lives and where you spend most time. commuting to work won't fool the French (neither will spending a couple nights per week in Switzerland).

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I do understand that if my kids will use the public system it comes from the taxpayer... BUT I just want to find a solution in which my wife can study in France and be near her relatives, and I will work in Switzerland where I'm supposed.
We are not trying to cheat anyone, we are just looking for a legal way to do it all...

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I'm not saying you are, but putting your kids in kindergarten will put you on the fiscal radar, which these days in France will be a lot less lenient.
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All this mess is just for one year... we are moving back after a year.
In fact, I won't be in France more than 180 days in each calendar year.
I do understand that if my kids will use the public system it comes from the taxpayer... BUT I just want to find a solution in which my wife can study in France and be near her relatives, and I will work in Switzerland where I'm supposed.
We are not trying to cheat anyone, we are just looking for a legal way to do it all...

Thanks again!
What SK2 mentions is the tax implications I was mentioning earlier. If your family is living there and kids going to public school then the French with deem your "centre de vie" in France and you may actually owe taxes in both countries.

Has your wife considered doing her studies in Switzerland instead?
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Dear SK2 and miniMia

I don't really see what other option I have! We wish to live in France mainly because there we will have help from relatives with our kids.
I'll be more than happy to pay taxes also in France seeing I use their public services. BUT can I? As far as I understand from what you wrote, I can't switch to a G permit so I have two options:
  1. give this plan up.
  2. Go ahead with it and hope that for one year this arrangement won't attract too much attention. In the middle of this year we will be even 2 months in the US...
SK2- do you really think that if I do it I can loose my permit?

I'm still not sure whether I should apply also for a visitor visa in france or not...
A bit lost again...

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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

I think your situations is too complicated for me to help anymore. And you really need to get good advice. If you are in contact with both the French and Swiss embassies you could ask them your options. Plus you should see what your employer has to say about it.

I do wish you luck!
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I think you expose yourself a lot. There have been lots of Swiss people residing in France without actually declaring themselves (or paying taxes) because rents were cheaper. This has pissed off the French because they lose out on tax revenue so controls are a bit tighter now shall we say...

Even if they don't charge you with living in France without a residence permit (the chance is remote but it is there) they'll want to squeeze tax out of you (and assorted penalties...). You won't be able to offset the tax against Swiss tax paid (because as far as the Swiss are concerned you live here) so you could well end up paying tax twice (more than you would ever pay for domestic help).

Finally applying for a long term visa is (in my opinion) not a smart idea since you're supposed to be working to support your family and not actually reside in France as a long term visitor...not to mention that having TWO Schengen visa applications simultaneously is a big no-no and the most surefire way to attract extra scrutiny.

So they way i see it is: you want to live in France because you can get cheap help from the relatives. Be aware that there is risk in doing this, and people HAVE been caught. For the Swiss it's no biggie.

For you the consequences can be unpleasant as you could end up barred from Schengen space altogether for trying to skirt around immigration rules.
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