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Living both is switzerland and in france!

Hello All,

This is my first post, although I've browsed this forum for a few months already.

I'm starting to work soon in Canton VAUD. At the beginning we thought that my family (wife and two kids) will move with me (so we already applied for visa for all of them), but eventually, my wife will study in France, so we will live in France and I will commute to Switzerland regularly (I will sleep in Switzerland for more then 50 days a year if this makes any difference).
We are all non-EU's.

We have quite a lot of questions:

  1. What are our possibilities in health insurance? Does my family Can/Have to get a swiss insurance also? We are not sure what are the french possibilities (my wife will be a student, but over 30 years old), but we are finding out...
  2. Should all of us get the Swiss visa or is it enough that I get it.
  3. Do I get the family allowances (Allocations familiales) in any case, or is it just in case of my kids living in Switzerland?
  4. I intend to sleep in Switzerland for 2 days in a week. Should I change the permit that I have, or just register myself at the address I'm living for two nights?
  5. Any other issues we are missing?!??
Any information you can enrich us with will be a blessing, since we are a bit lost...!


Thanks a lot!
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Old 13.06.2012, 21:48
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  1. What are our possibilities in health insurance? Does my family Can/Have to get a swiss insurance also? We are not sure what are the french possibilities (my wife will be a student, but over 30 years old), but we are finding out...

    Yes. You must insure the whole family in Switzerland as you are the head of household.


  2. Should all of us get the Swiss visa or is it enough that I get it.

    No. Only you need one. They need permits for France.

  3. Do I get the family allowances (Allocations familiales) in any case, or is it just in case of my kids living in Switzerland?

    Probably. Someone else will answer better.

  4. I intend to sleep in Switzerland for 2 days in a week. Should I change the permit that I have, or just register myself at the address I'm living for two nights?

    I don't understand the question? You should be registered where you are living.

  5. Any other issues we are missing?!??

I'm sure the tax issue is something to look into. You could well owe taxes in both Switzerland and France.


Any information you can enrich us with will be a blessing, since we are a bit lost...!

Read read read on the site. There is lots of information on here.

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Thanks a lot miniMia! (where is the Thanks button?!?)

I intend to live in France but also sleep over in Switzerland for two days. So in any case I should change my permit from B-permit to G-permit?

Also, should I get also visa for France? I guess I should.

It seems that you are completely sure about insuring all the family. Isn't it a bit strange as they will not live at all in swizerland? In any case, I should insure them in some "assurance frontalier".

I'll keep reading!!
Thanks again miniMia!
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Thanks a lot miniMia! (where is the Thanks button?!?)

I intend to live in France but also sleep over in Switzerland for two days. So in any case I should change my permit from B-permit to G-permit?

Also, should I get also visa for France? I guess I should.

It seems that you are completely sure about insuring all the family. Isn't it a bit strange as they will not live at all in swizerland? In any case, I should insure them in some "assurance frontalier".

I'll keep reading!!
Thanks again miniMia!
Oh. OK. I see you question now. But if you are non-EU you need approval for your permit, no? If you are working and being sponsored by a Swiss company right? And they are the ones getting you permit? If so you can't live in France as they are not going to get you a French permit but a Swiss one. I think you must be resident in Switzerland.

And thus, you as the "head of the household/sole earner" must provide insurance for your family in France. Frontalier insurance (I believe) is only if you are in fact on the border. What part of France is your family living?

But you situations sounds complicated. You might need a professional opinion.
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Welcome to the forum! I am a Geneva frontalier who has lived in France for many years.

My opinion, which may be wrong, is that you can manage with a frontalier permit. There is no longer any geographic limit on where frontaliers reside. As MiniMia says, get expert advice.

For the health care, I think that MiniMia is wrong. Your kids can be under your wife's French student health insurance. They are not Swiss residents. However, consider adding a "mutuelle", private health care, to top up the standard state health insurance for students. We have used the MAIF for many years. They are reliable.
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For the health care, I think that MiniMia is wrong. Your kids can be under your wife's French student health insurance. They are not Swiss residents. However, consider adding a "mutuelle", private health care, to top up the standard state health insurance for students. We have used the MAIF for many years. They are reliable.
Oh. Sorry. I was assuming the wife didn't have insurance. If the wife has insurance as a student then they won't need Swiss insurance.

What do you think of the issue of being non-EU though for the permit/frontalier status/French permit?? It's clearly over my head!
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

Dear miniMia and FrankZappa! Thanks!!!

How do I get an expert help? Are there any companies helping with it?
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Welcome to the forum! I am a Geneva frontalier who has lived in France for many years.

My opinion, which may be wrong, is that you can manage with a frontalier permit. There is no longer any geographic limit on where frontaliers reside.
That is true for EU frontaliers. The geographic limit still holds for non-EU frontaliers are required to have resided in the border area for at least six months before being eligible for a G permit. You can't just show up in France and get a permit.

Not to mention that you have to gain residency in France to begin with....
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Dear miniMia and FrankZappa! Thanks!!!

How do I get an expert help? Are there any companies helping with it?
Yes, your company, the one that will employ you. They have arranged your permit based on Swiss residence - you will need to get them to change that.
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Re: Living both in switzerland and in france!

Again, many thanks to everyone.

I will gain residency in France by being married to a student there.

In any case, what does it mean to reside in Switzerland? In the first month I'm going to stay with a friend, and I'm going to register myself as living there. After this month I will spend about half the week in Switzerland (and will sleep in the house I'm registered in) and the rest of the week I'll be in France.
This plan is OK for my job (what a wonderful job!) but is it OK legally?

Thanks again everyone!!
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Again, many thanks to everyone.

I will gain residency in France by being married to a student there. !
So let me get this right... France will give your wife residency rights despite having two kids and no income? Are you SURE about that?
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Indeed, but this is just a student visa. She won't be able to work or anything.
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Indeed, but this is just a student visa. She won't be able to work or anything.
That I understand. But did they not ask how is she going to pay for her (and the kids', and yours) living expenses?
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

We are now applying for the visa. She have enough savings to show them and it should suffice in order to get the visa. We also thought to say that I will support them (just because this is the truth). Will it make a tax issue?

Are we missing something?
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We are now applying for the visa. She have enough savings to show them and it should suffice in order to get the visa. We also thought to say that I will support them (just because this is the truth). Will it make a tax issue?

Are we missing something?
France requires proof of 615EUR per month for single, no kids students. Just so we're on the same page here.

Onwards from that, your wife may apply for family reunion (i.e. the kids and you) only after she has spent at least 18 months in France (source)

You cannot immediately gain residency in France just because your wife is a student there. Even if you could, you would need to reside for at least six months in France before qualifying for a G permit.

I have a feeling that your plan is not fully researched. I cannot advise you on French procedures as I do not know them well enough - but I think you really should talk to the embassy first...
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And of course, my question still remains: Is the company in Switzerland getting your work permit for you? This could well mean you must be registered as a resident in Switzerland.

Talk to the company and ask them to ask their experts.
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Must do, the OP is non-EU.
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Must do, the OP is non-EU.
Maybe they think he will be living in France?

If so, Isn't he stuck officially living in Switzerland?
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Maybe they think he will be living in France?
Doubt it, he states that they have already applied for Swiss visas

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This is how I see it too... who knows we'll soon be set straight by the silver knight ^^
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Re: Living both is switzerland and in france!

We sure need to contact the embassy... the way they work it is almost impossible.

You got us confused... We have a non-EU friend who just enrolled to Master in france and all its family followed BUT his spouse and children are swiss...

But I still find it weird - if someone is going to study in France, can't his family immediately follow? I understand if they can't benefit from it, i.e., health insurance etc., but can't they stay? We will try to work it out..

We did apply for Swiss permit and we are in the process of getting it soon.

Please keep sharing your knowledge - it is very helpful!!!
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