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Old 17.06.2012, 16:23
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Re: moving to CH do I have to wait to apply for my red book ??

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so I can get a passport without being a citizen ?? I always assumed one was dependent on the other ??
Yes you are very British You need to have swiss ctizenship to get a passport,you don`t need a passport to get a job but citizenship helps .With Red book ,I thought you ment A Swiss passport
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Old 17.06.2012, 16:24
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I do realize this however having read many threads on here of the difficulties of non-Swiss applying for jobs I think to quote myself as saying
"I imagine 'being Swiss' will certainly help when applying for jobs...." is justified.
You'll still be a foreigner.... even a citizen for another Kanton is considered a foreigner!
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Re: moving to CH do I have to wait to apply for my red book ??

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Yes you are very British You need to have swiss ctizenship to get a passport,you don`t need a passport to get a job but citizenship helps .With Red book ,I thought you ment A Swiss passport
My question revolves around my desire to get Swiss citizenship and passport as I feel that long term they may be beneficial to me despite being British and married to a Swiss. Clearly you don't NEED a Swiss passport to get a job as there are many non-Swiss working in Switzerland.

I'm not sure how my posts deserved a sarcastic eye roll and the 'very British' comment. Do you really not have anything more interesting to do...
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Old 17.06.2012, 16:34
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Re: moving to CH do I have to wait to apply for my red book ??

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Citizenship and passport are two separat things
How are they separate things? I realise one can be a citizen without a passport ( eg: born in a country and never applied for a passport, or having let it lapse) but that only citizens ( by birth or naturalised) can have a passport.

However, my understanding of "permanent residency" is that you can have that without either citizenship or a passpport.
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I'm not sure how my posts deserved a sarcastic eye roll and the 'very British' comment. Do you really not have anything more interesting to do...
Swisswife - the short answer to that is probably "No." Unfortunately, there are those on this forum who take delight in giving inappropriate, unhelpful replies, especially to new members. Just ignore them. good luck with your application.
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Old 17.06.2012, 16:54
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In the end it is the Gemeinde whom decide if you become Swiss, governed by Canton and Federal regulations. If you move from the Gemeinde, then the five year clock starts again.
Wrong.

It is not up to the gemeinde where you live at all, but rather the heimatort of the spouse.

Also, as you have been married to a Swiss for more than six years, you can already apply for Swiss citizenship. The three years married-five years residence is for those who live in Switzerland. As you do not, the six year rule applies.

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Old 17.06.2012, 16:56
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My question revolves around my desire to get Swiss citizenship and passport as I feel that long term they may be beneficial to me despite being British and married to a Swiss. Clearly you don't NEED a Swiss passport to get a job as there are many non-Swiss working in Switzerland.

I'm not sure how my posts deserved a sarcastic eye roll and the 'very British' comment. Do you really not have anything more interesting to do...
I did not give you a eye roll, I gave you winks ( Interesting) I waiting for 1445 EST, soccer game
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Swisswife - the short answer to that is probably "No." Unfortunately, there are those on this forum who take delight in giving inappropriate, unhelpful replies, especially to new members. Just ignore them. good luck with your application.
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Old 18.06.2012, 10:19
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In the end it is the Gemeinde whom decide if you become Swiss, governed by Canton and Federal regulations. If you move from the Gemeinde, then the five year clock starts again.
Almost... If you move cantons, you start over. Moving within a canton is fine. I've looked into this personally for my wife, as we've moved quite a fe times within ZH.

And to reiterate st2lemans, you would be joining your spouse's home canton, regardless of where you did your 5 years. Or, in your case, 6 abroad - you should qualify, so contact the embassy where you are, before arriving here.
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Old 18.06.2012, 10:24
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Re: moving to CH do I have to wait to apply for my red book ??

This concept of a 'home' canton is something I crash my head about a little, my wife has two Heimat Orts in canton ZH but to my knowledge she has never spent more than an afternoon in either of them as they are her father's.

So, why should I be given such a location if i chose to take up CH citizenship, if it purely is an administrative measure then would it not make more sense to have it where we are living as a family? Obviously people move around CH (just don't tell the federales) and they need to have a more permanent location, but to purely base it on where my father-in-law was born seems a little archaic.
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Old 18.06.2012, 10:31
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This concept of a 'home' canton is something I crash my head about a little, my wife has two Heimat Orts in canton ZH but to my knowledge she has never spent more than an afternoon in either of them as they are her father's.

So, why should I be given such a location if i chose to take up CH citizenship, if it purely is an administrative measure then would it not make more sense to have it where we are living as a family? Obviously people move around CH (just don't tell the federales) and they need to have a more permanent location, but to purely base it on where my father-in-law was born seems a little archaic.
That's the way it's done.

My current wife has her own, which is a place in canton Zurich she's never been (and she doesn't even speak German), plus mine, which I acquired from my first wife after she acquired it from her first husband, which is in SG (and I've actually driven through it a couple times).

Incidentally, they are less than 15km apart!

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My husband and I have been married for 7 years but always lived outside Switzerland. I am British and we met when he was working in London, and have lived in various parts of the world. We are about to move permanently to Switzerland and I am planning to start the application for citizenship.

I asked my SIL if she could find out where I need to go to start the process and she said she investigated and that I can only start after being in CH for 3 years. Is this correct does anyone know? it seems a bit bizarre IMO.

We are back and forward to CH a lot so I have files of tickets photos of family and friends events / parties we have been to, Swiss friends who have been a stayed with us in various countries, I have a town mayor as a friend who came to my wedding in Zurich who will support my application and so I think I have the integration bit fully covered, I know history and geog and am learning German.... I'm good to go with the application... and just heard about the three year thing... I thought it was if you lived in CH from the start of the marriage and you had to wait 3 years ?
Just in case there is anyone else out there in the same position, I thought I would update. I have received an email from the Federal Office for Migration who told me that I can apply straight away for facilitated naturalisation when we move to CH.
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Re: moving to CH do I have to wait to apply for my red book ??

Thank you, I wasn't aware there would be a difference.

It isn't so simple either! In many cantons there is also a requirement to live for a recent minimum time in the community.

Referenced to
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...tzfristen.html

Cantonal residence requirements for regular naturalisation

Go to page «Regular naturalisation»

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Cantons with short residence requirements (two to three years)

Canton Minimum residence requirements
AR 3 years in the canton.
BE 2 years.
FR 3 years in the canton.
GE 2 years.
JU 2 years in the community of prospective naturalisation.
LU at least 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation.
NE the final 3 years before the submission of the application in the canton without interruption
SH 2 years in the canton and in the community of prospective naturalisation
ZH at least 2 uninterrupted years in the community of prospective naturalisation

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Cantons with medium residence requirements (five or six years)

Canton Minimum residence requirements
AG 5 years in the canton, 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation
AI 5 years in the canton
BL 5 years in the canton
BS 5 years in the canton, of which the final 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation
GL 6 years in the canton, of which the final 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation
GR 6 years in the canton
OW 5 years
SG 5 years in the canton
SO 6 years in the canton
SZ as a rule, 5 years in a community of the Canton of Schwyz
TG 6 years in the canton, of which 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation
TI 5 years in the canton, 3 years in the community of prospective naturalisation
VD 5 years in the canton, 1 to 5 years in the community
VS 5 years in the canton
ZG 5 years in the canton, of which the final 3 years uninterrupted in the community of prospective naturalisation

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Cantons with long residence requirements (ten to twelve years)
CantonMinimum residence requirements
NW 12 years, 3 years in the community
UR 10 years in the canton without interruption.
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http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...uergerung.html


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Ordentliche Einbürgerung Kanton Bern
http://www.bern.ch/leben_in_bern/aus...ng/grundlagen/

Wohnsitzdauer
Insgesamt 12 Jahre Wohnsitz in der Schweiz, wovon 3 in den letzten 5 Jahren vor Einreichung des Gesuches.
Mindestens 2 Jahre Wohnsitz ohne Unterbruch in der Gemeinde Bern vor Einreichung des Gesuches.
Stellen Ehegatten das Gesuch gemeinsam, so muss bloss eine Person diese Wohnsitzvoraussetzungen erfüllen; für die andere Person genügen insgesamt 5 Jahre Wohnsitz in der Schweiz. Diese verkürzte Wohnsitzdauer kann jedoch nur geltend machen, wer seit 3 Jahren in ehelicher Gemeinschaft und ebenfalls ununterbrochen 2 Jahre in der Einbürgerungsgemeinde lebt.
Für die Berechnung der Frist von 12 Jahren wird die Zeit, während der die gesuchstellende Person zwischen dem 10. und 20. Lebensjahr in der Schweiz gelebt hat, doppelt gezählt.
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Erleichterte Einbürgerung Kanton Bern
Wohnsitzdauer
http://www.bern.ch/leben_in_bern/aus...ng/grundlagen/
Ausländische Ehepartnerinnen und -partner von Schweizerinnen und Schweizern mit Wohnsitz in der Gemeinde Bern können sich erleichtert einbürgern lassen, wenn der ausländische Ehepartner
  • insgesamt 5 Jahre in der Schweiz gewohnt hat
  • seit einem Jahr hier (in Bern) wohnt
  • seit 3 Jahren in ehelicher Gemeinschaft mit der Schweizerin / dem Schweizer lebt
  • in die schweizerischen Verhältnisse eingegliedert ist und die schweizerische Rechtsordnung beachtet
Durch die erleichterte Einbürgerung wird das Kantons- und Gemeindebürgerrecht des schweizerischen Ehepartners erworben.
Für die erleichterte Einbürgerung wird von den Bundesbehörden eine Gebühr von CHF 450.00 erhoben.
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