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Old 21.06.2012, 16:18
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Birth registration, passports and Child benefit

Hi all,

Seen plenty on the forums here regarding registration of births etc, and we've done all this with our most recent. But there seems to be a information section missing - registering for Child Benefit.

We have the birth certificate etc, and now we want to apply for CH Child benefit. Except we now need to provide a copy of his passport to do this. 'Fair enough' we think, we will apply for one.

Except it looks like we need to register with the Home Office as part of this, and given we are both british nationals - we do this via the MN1 form...

...which costs an outrageous £551 to process!

Frankly, we'd like to avoid forking out £551 if we can - particularly right now, so is home Office registration compulsory to apply for my sons passport, gven we're both UK nationals?
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Old 21.06.2012, 17:25
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Hi all,

Seen plenty on the forums here regarding registration of births etc, and we've done all this with our most recent. But there seems to be a information section missing - registering for Child Benefit.

We have the birth certificate etc, and now we want to apply for CH Child benefit. Except we now need to provide a copy of his passport to do this. 'Fair enough' we think, we will apply for one.

Except it looks like we need to register with the Home Office as part of this, and given we are both british nationals - we do this via the MN1 form...

...which costs an outrageous £551 to process!

Frankly, we'd like to avoid forking out £551 if we can - particularly right now, so is home Office registration compulsory to apply for my sons passport, gven we're both UK nationals?
We got our son's passport without the Home office registration and we are both Brits too. We were living in Belgium at the time but I don't see that that should make a difference. We have friends going through the same thing at the moment here in Switzerland and they certainly haven't done it.


I don't recall having to provide the passport for the child allowance application either only the birth certificate but we're in a different canton so it might be different.

On the plus side they do backdate it so you'll get it from the day he was born so a nice surprise when it comes.
It took ages for them to process ours due to complicated issues getting certain documents from Belgium but when they finally sorted it we got the payments from January 2009 when OH first started working here- Three and a half years of child benefits certainly made the hassles of getting the required documents well worth it.
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Re: Birth registration, passports and Child benefit

Hi,

I am also in a different canton, but we didn't need a passport to register for child benefit in CH. I remember getting some forms to fill in for the cantonal authority and then having to send the birth cert to HR, but that was it. Our child was born in CH though, don't know if that makes a difference.
Is it you or your OH that will be claiming the child benefit? Who has informed you that a passport is required for child benefit?
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Old 21.06.2012, 22:19
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Hi all,

Seen plenty on the forums here regarding registration of births etc, and we've done all this with our most recent. But there seems to be a information section missing - registering for Child Benefit.

We have the birth certificate etc, and now we want to apply for CH Child benefit. Except we now need to provide a copy of his passport to do this. 'Fair enough' we think, we will apply for one.

Except it looks like we need to register with the Home Office as part of this, and given we are both british nationals - we do this via the MN1 form...

...which costs an outrageous £551 to process!

Frankly, we'd like to avoid forking out £551 if we can - particularly right now, so is home Office registration compulsory to apply for my sons passport, gven we're both UK nationals?
Children born outside the United Kingdom whose parents were British citizens by descent are not British citizen. They may be able to apply to register as a British citizen (Form MN 1).
Children born outside the United Kingdom where at least one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent are a British citizen by descent. They don't need to register.


Hang on, you think. So someone who was naturalised a year ago and now gives birth abroad, their child will automatically be British. Someone who has been British all along, and whose parents and grandparents were British, their children will not be British?! Welcome to the wonderful parallel universe that is UKBA.
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Old 21.06.2012, 22:26
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Children born outside the United Kingdom whose parents were British citizens by descent are not British citizen. They may be able to apply to register as a British citizen (Form MN 1).
Children born outside the United Kingdom where at least one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent are a British citizen by descent. They don't need to register.


Hang on, you think. So someone who was naturalised a year ago and now gives birth abroad, their child will automatically be British. Someone who has been British all along, and whose parents and grandparents were British, their children will not be British?! Welcome to the wonderful parallel universe that is UKBA.
When did this happen then?

Our son was born in Belgium to two parents who are British by descent and he is very definately British. He's got the birth certificate and passport to prove it.
If he goes on to have children though he will not be able to pass the British citizenship on to them if they are born outside the UK.

I double checked and the birth certificate was the only identification document needed to get child allowance in Neuchatel. Friend did it only this week.
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Old 21.06.2012, 22:31
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Re: Birth registration, passports and Child benefit

As foreigners you may not know of the Swiss Family Buchlein. It is similar to a passport and is issued by the Gemeinde.

In Switzerland you can use it as an ID for all Swiss family things. maybe your employer asked for this? You can get along with birth and marriage certificates, but the Buchlein is a good substitute in Switzerland, and not so expensive as a passport!

Another tip is to get your child a Swiss international birth certificate. The certificate has about 8 languages and saves lots of hassle getting future translations done.
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British Nationality Act 1981
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How come our son and lots of my friend's children are British then?

All born outside the UK to British by descent parents after 1981. All have got British citizenship. None of us had to apply to register them as British citizens and we for one only had to send the Belgian birth certificate (in French) to get the British passport.
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Re: Birth registration, passports and Child benefit

Your children are British, but your grandchildren will have to apply for citizenship. As I understand, if your grandchildren are born in Britain, they will become full UK citizens.

Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

registering birth with British Consul?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law
British Citizenship can be acquired in the following ways:
  1. lex soli: By birth in the United Kingdom to a parent who is a British citizen at the time of the birth, or to a parent who is settled in the United Kingdom
  2. lex sanguinis: By birth abroad, which constitutes "by descent" if one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent (for example by birth, adoption, registration or naturalisation in the United Kingdom). British citizenship by descent is only transferable to one generation down from the parent who is a British citizen otherwise than by descent, if the child is born abroad.
  3. By naturalisation
  4. By registration
  5. By adoption

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How come our son and lots of my friend's children are British then?

All born outside the UK to British by descent parents after 1981. All have got British citizenship. None of us had to apply to register them as British citizens and we for one only had to send the Belgian birth certificate (in French) to get the British passport.
The MN1 form (and the outrageous GBP 551 fee!) is what's new, not the registration. The registration used to be a very simple process, more or less hidden on the passport application. Now it's a big from and a big fee.
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Your children are British, but your grandchildren will have to apply for citizenship. As I understand, if your grandchildren are born in Britain, they will become full UK citizens.

Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

registering birth with British Consul?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law
British Citizenship can be acquired in the following ways:
  1. lex soli: By birth in the United Kingdom to a parent who is a British citizen at the time of the birth, or to a parent who is settled in the United Kingdom
  2. lex sanguinis: By birth abroad, which constitutes "by descent" if one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent (for example by birth, adoption, registration or naturalisation in the United Kingdom). British citizenship by descent is only transferable to one generation down from the parent who is a British citizen otherwise than by descent, if the child is born abroad.
  3. By naturalisation
  4. By registration
  5. By adoption
That was how I understood it too. Thanks for the links. I was pretty sure about it as I had checked a few years ago as we had friends whose child was stateless for a wile.

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The MN1 form (and the outrageous GBP 551 fee!) is what's new, not the registration. The registration used to be a very simple process, more or less hidden on the passport application. Now it's a big from and a big fee.
Ah Ok that explains a lot. There was a section on the passport application now I come to think of it but it wasn't a big deal and it certainly didn't give one the impression that you had to apply for citizenship.
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Re: Birth registration, passports and Child benefit

There seems to be some confusion (not surprisingly) about terminology in this thread.

British Born by descent is:

'British Citizenship by descent' is the category for the children born outside the UK to a British citizen. Rules for acquiring British citizenship by descent depend on when the person was born.

To pass on British citizenship by descent you have to be a British citizen other than by descent.

i.e. Birth, registration, naturlisation or adoption.

I would guess that the OP is British Born by birth:

Under the law in effect from 1 January 1983, a child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth.

I would imagine that silverburn is British born by birth and wouldn't need to fill in this MN1 form and pay £550 for the pleasure of their children being British.
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