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I am a Swedish citizen currently living in London. I am about to make a permanent move to Switzerland in Aug for work. My girlfriend on the other hand is from Latvia. I understand that Switzerland has recently introduced a quota on the number of people allowed in from eight eastern EU countries, including Latvia, that will be in force until next year at least. Evidently, this causes a problem for us. Does anyone have a suggestion how she can still move with me to Switzerland? Thanks
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Hmmm, a bit early so not really an option at this stage. Any other way?
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Hmmm, a bit early so not really an option at this stage. Any other way?
Pretend to get married, only on paper...
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I am a Swedish citizen currently living in London. I am about to make a permanent move to Switzerland in Aug for work. My girlfriend on the other hand is from Latvia. I understand that Switzerland has recently introduced a quota on the number of people allowed in from eight eastern EU countries, including Latvia, that will be in force until next year at least. Evidently, this causes a problem for us. Does anyone have a suggestion how she can still move with me to Switzerland? Thanks
The quota for the citizens from the EU-8 concerns the B-permits only, neither L-permits nor G-permits. The authorities are planning to allocate 500 B-permits per trimester. It may be late for your girlfriend to get a new B-permit in August, as the B-permits may run out in July.

What I think you both can do, is as follows:

- Regardless of circumstances, she can submit a form for B-permit in August, in your future commune of residence and then wait for results. If her request is refused, she can apply for L-permit.
- She can wait till the end of this trimester and then apply for a B-permit when new 500 B-permits will be available.
- While having a L-permit, she can still apply for a B.
- If you are planning to work and live near the border, you both can apply for G-permits.
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Re: Immigration quota - eastern EU

I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the queue will work pretty fairly:

- enter the country for up to three months to look for a job.
- if a job is found, the employer has to show justification (got a job?) for the permit.
- authorities assess application, then one of three things happen -
a) application is approved because you fit the criteria and the quota is available,
b) application is delayed because you fit the criteria but the quota has run out,
c) application is rejected because there is something wrong with your paperwork.

It doesn't make any sense to me for the authorities to 'reject' an application because their quota has run out - rather, they would just sit them all on a pile, and refuse to process them until the next window.

Realistically, though, the last time the quotas ran out, there was simply a tightening of the criteria and then a public outcry as employers (mostly swiss) got annoyed at their own government for refusing to grand work permits, leaving those businesses short-staffed.

Have the quota places actually run out (or are you just assuming they have?)... either way, my understanding is that she is allowed to come to Switzerland for three months to try to find a job, and if she does find an employer willing to put in the application, then it shouldn't be a big drama.

More info here: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...r_schweiz.html

I would recommend that she contacts the swiss consulate general for Latvia (her home country) and ask them what the current procedure is.... better than trying the forum where you will get a multitude of opinions and not everyone up-to-date with the latest changes - the consulate general will certainly be able to tell you if they are getting lots of 'rejected' applications due to quotas...
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The quota for the citizens from the EU-8 concerns the B-permits only, neither L-permits nor G-permits. .
Quotas apply to L permits as well.
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I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the queue will work pretty fairly:

- enter the country for up to three months to look for a job.
- if a job is found, the employer has to show justification (got a job?) for the permit.
- authorities assess application, then one of three things happen -
a) application is approved because you fit the criteria and the quota is available,
b) application is delayed because you fit the criteria but the quota has run out,
c) application is rejected because there is something wrong with your paperwork.

It doesn't make any sense to me for the authorities to 'reject' an application because their quota has run out - rather, they would just sit them all on a pile, and refuse to process them until the next window.

Realistically, though, the last time the quotas ran out, there was simply a tightening of the criteria and then a public outcry as employers (mostly swiss) got annoyed at their own government for refusing to grand work permits, leaving those businesses short-staffed.

Have the quota places actually run out (or are you just assuming they have?)... either way, my understanding is that she is allowed to come to Switzerland for three months to try to find a job, and if she does find an employer willing to put in the application, then it shouldn't be a big drama.

More info here: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...r_schweiz.html

I would recommend that she contacts the swiss consulate general for Latvia (her home country) and ask them what the current procedure is.... better than trying the forum where you will get a multitude of opinions and not everyone up-to-date with the latest changes - the consulate general will certainly be able to tell you if they are getting lots of 'rejected' applications due to quotas...
But, as I wrote before, the system of the quotas concerns the B permits only. If she finds a job but she cannot obtain a B-permit, she is can apply for a L-permit. L-permit doesn't allow for some benefits, i.e. changing jobs easily, as in case of B permit. But while having L-permit, she will already have an anchor here, while applying for a B-permit.
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Quotas apply to L permits as well.
Can you give any source(s)?
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Re: Immigration quota - eastern EU

Thank you. That is really helpful. As you say Swisspea the best option is probably to contact the Latvian consulate for Switzerland.
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Quotas apply to L permits as well.
OT ... I work for a big Pharma company (we are located on the corner of France/Swiss/Germany)... and even we are now passing out L permits instead of B's.
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Re: Immigration quota - eastern EU

This is the extract from the site of the Canton of Vaud:

"Un contingent de 2’180 permis B réservés aux ressortissants de l’UE8 est donc réintroduit pour la période du 1er mai 2012 au 30 avril 2013 et sera libéré trimestriellement par tranche de 545 unités. Ce nombre maximum vaut pour l’ensemble de la Confédération."

In another words: there will be 2180 B-permits issued per year. 545 B-permits will be issued per trimester, this is a maximum number for the Swiss Confederation, not for each canton. As this is the beginning of the 3rd trimester of 2012, chances are that most permits of those 545, may already run out in July. If you arrive in August, you are allowed to contact the authorities in the canton of your residence and ask them how many B-permits are still available in the Confederation for this trimester. If they run out completely, then your girlfiend can apply for L-permit. While having L-permit, she can reapply for B-permit in the beginning of new trimester.

There is no quota for L-permits. Free movement of the members of the EU-8 in Switzerland is the same as for the members of EU-17. If your girlfriend resides in a Swiss commune longer than 8 days, she is entiltled to receive a permit of stay in Switzerland.

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I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the queue will work pretty fairly:

- enter the country for up to three months to look for a job.
- if a job is found, the employer has to show justification (got a job?) for the permit.
- authorities assess application, then one of three things happen -
a) application is approved because you fit the criteria and the quota is available,
b) application is delayed because you fit the criteria but the quota has run out,
c) application is rejected because there is something wrong with your paperwork.

It doesn't make any sense to me for the authorities to 'reject' an application because their quota has run out - rather, they would just sit them all on a pile, and refuse to process them until the next window.
That is the bottom line.
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Die Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen (Ausweis L EU/EFTA) sind von dem Bundesratsentscheid nicht betroffen. Die Voraussetzungen für die Wiedereinführung der Kontingente für diese Bewilligungskategorie sind nicht erfüllt.
Im Falle einer Ausschöpfung der Quartalskontingente EU-8 für die Aufenthaltsbewilligungen (Bewilligung B EU/EFTA), wird den Kantonen empfohlen, die Gesuchstellenden auf den nächsten Kontingentsfreigabetermin zu verweisen. Ansonsten besteht die Gefahr, dass der Bundesratsentscheid in seiner Wirkung beeinträchtigt wird. Sollte die Zahl der erteilten Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen (Ausweis L EU/EFTA) in der Periode 2012-2013 stark ansteigen, könnte der Bundesrat auch für die L-Bewilligungen die Ventilklausel aktivieren.
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Les autorisations de courte durée (permis L UE/AELE) ne sont pas touchées par la décision du Conseil fédéral. Les conditions permettant une réintroduction de contingents à l’égard de cette catégorie de permis ne sont en effet pas remplies.
En cas d’épuisement du contingent trimestriel des autorisations de séjour (permis B UE/AELE) réservé aux ressortissants de l’UE-8, il est recommandé aux cantons d’inviter les requérants à attendre la prochaine échéance de libération des contingents, ceci afin de ne pas vider de sa substance la mesure décidée par le Conseil fédéral.En cas d’augmentation massive du nombre d’autorisations de courte durée (permis L UE/AELE) délivrées durant la période 2012-2013, le Conseil fédéral pourrait également actionner la clause de sauvegarde pour ce type d’autorisations (permis L UE/AELE).
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In the original statement (from 23rd April 2012), it seems that L-permits were not to be put under quota for EU-8, but if anything has changed since then please feel free to correct me.
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I am a Swedish citizen currently living in London. I am about to make a permanent move to Switzerland in Aug for work. My girlfriend on the other hand is from Latvia. I understand that Switzerland has recently introduced a quota on the number of people allowed in from eight eastern EU countries, including Latvia, that will be in force until next year at least. Evidently, this causes a problem for us. Does anyone have a suggestion how she can still move with me to Switzerland? Thanks

Its difficult , unless you tie the knot... there are a few options, put your girlfriend on some arbitary training course and she could enter and stay on a Student Visa...but i here you need to have a training course like something at ETH (28000 chf for two years) or some alternative type of course which can be exspensive.

Alternatively you could live close to the German Border and get a cheap aprtment for her so she can come and see you or you see her when you need too.

Im in a similar situation , recently divorced, pay a lot in Alimony, but have a girlfriend in Germany, keen on being together but not Marriage, once bitten , twice shy.. good luck!
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I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the queue will work pretty fairly:

- enter the country for up to three months to look for a job.
- if a job is found, the employer has to show justification (got a job?) for the permit.
- authorities assess application, then one of three things happen -
a) application is approved because you fit the criteria and the quota is available,
b) application is delayed because you fit the criteria but the quota has run out,
c) application is rejected because there is something wrong with your paperwork.

It doesn't make any sense to me for the authorities to 'reject' an application because their quota has run out - rather, they would just sit them all on a pile, and refuse to process them until the next window.

Realistically, though, the last time the quotas ran out, there was simply a tightening of the criteria and then a public outcry as employers (mostly swiss) got annoyed at their own government for refusing to grand work permits, leaving those businesses short-staffed.

Have the quota places actually run out (or are you just assuming they have?)... either way, my understanding is that she is allowed to come to Switzerland for three months to try to find a job, and if she does find an employer willing to put in the application, then it shouldn't be a big drama.

More info here: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...r_schweiz.html

I would recommend that she contacts the swiss consulate general for Latvia (her home country) and ask them what the current procedure is.... better than trying the forum where you will get a multitude of opinions and not everyone up-to-date with the latest changes - the consulate general will certainly be able to tell you if they are getting lots of 'rejected' applications due to quotas...
Bottom line, first thing an emplyer will ask for is a relevant work permit for Switzerland, if this isnt in place then you will find a large % of employers will not follow up with any candidate that does not have a valid work permit. Catch 22 no work without a permit, no permit without work..
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Thanks everyone. Very helpful.
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Thanks everyone. Very helpful.
You are very welcome. Good luck for you and your girlfiend.
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Bottom line, first thing an emplyer will ask for is a relevant work permit for Switzerland, if this isnt in place then you will find a large % of employers will not follow up with any candidate that does not have a valid work permit. Catch 22 no work without a permit, no permit without work..
Well, that depends.

If someone is from the EU, even from the EU-8, and arrives in Switzerland before finding a job, but they have enough money to support themselves, they can already apply for a permit of residence in Switzerland. Even it is a L-permit, for a future employer this is a message that person is already "in" the system of this country, he/she has a Swiss adress, etc. The permit can be modified during the work for an employer and converted in B-permit.
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Re: Immigration quota - eastern EU

In my experience, we have very little trouble taking candidates from the EU or even UK because they don't have any paperwork issues - getting a work permit is easy.

It kind of goes without saying that you will need some income source (savings, rich boyfriend) to get you through the unemployed period, and of course you're going to need to find a job. However, with unemployment in Switzerland at ... massive 3.1%....there are certainly employers out there who are struggling to find suitable staff... (unemployment rate in Latvia is officially around 15%)....

Don't assume it's impossible to get a visa because of the 'quotas' - until you try, you won't know... the whole 'quota' thing is more likely a political thing, and to put people off applying in the first place...

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