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Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

I am an American and US citizen and my wife is Swiss and living with me in the US. Our marriage is registered in Switzerland. My evil plan is to fish around in the Swiss engineering job market and see what comes up. In order to do that I have generally been advised that it would be best to advertise B permit status on my CV in order to be clear that as a candidate I present no immigration or quota issues whatsoever. A B permit, once issued, requires residence 180 days out of the year, which would give me approximately 6 months to arrange interview dates and to visit and conduct the interviews before presumably accepting one of multiple offers and relocating in time to fulfill the permit requirements.

First question: Is it possible for my wife's relative living in Switzerland (in her own home canton) to apply for the B permit on my behalf, submitting the forms and other information required without my personal presence?

Second question: If that is not possible, is it possible for me to apply in person for the B permit while on 90-day visa-free 'tourist' travel?

I found the following form for the case of ZG. It does not mention a requirement to present a visa when applying or that application must be made in person.

http://www.zug.ch/behoerden/sicherhe...amiliennachzug

However, my wife is from kanton ZH and I could not locate the equivalent form on their website to verify if it is indeed also the case. If someone could locate this form for me I would be most grateful.

The consulate was not that helpful about the residence permit, being a cantonal matter, and as such she will be calling ZH next week to find out more details. The consulate did suggest that a Type D visa is required whenever one is entering Switzerland with the intent to reside.

I am not against applying for the visa, but mainly wondering if these is a more direct path to the permit given that I am only desiring the B permit at this stage in order to engage in effective job searching from abroad and do not plan to enter Switzerland until it is time for an interview.

Third question: If in possession of a current valid B permit, is it necessary to also have a current valid visa to enter Switzerland, or is the visa only a path to entry when necessary to secure a permit?

Fourth question: If the Type D visa is required to enter Switzerland even with a B permit, what is the recommendation as to the duration I should request on the visa application, and is there any particular reason I should not request a multiple-entry visa? Na´vely, I would request a 1 year multiple-entry visa for the greatest flexibility, but I would like to hear opinions on whether that request were likely to be rejected.

Would love to hear experiences of anyone else along these lines.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

You have a wrong understanding of how the process works.

You cannot get the B permit without first gaining the permission to entry and reside in Switzerland.

For non-EU citizen, the permission to entry and reside is granted either via the employment route or via the family regroupment route. The latter applies to your situation.

In order for you to gain permission to entry and reside your spouse must move to Switzerland and file a family regroupment request. This will in turn will entitle you to apply for and receive a D visa (entry for work / residence purposes) and eventually to apply for and receive a B work / residence permit.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

Thanks. This is incredibly confusing...

So does this mean that in advance of anything, my wife would need to go to Switzerland and register with her Gemeinde for a residency card (with the need for health insurance, rental contract, etc)?
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Thanks. This is incredibly confusing...

So does this mean that in advance of anything, my wife would need to go to Switzerland and register with her Gemeinde for a residency card (with the need for health insurance, rental contract, etc)?
That is indeed correct. You can also move at the same time, having prepared the visa application ahead of the move, or, worst case, move and then do the paperwork here (but be aware that some communes are sticklers for procedure and might frown on this).

You cannot move ahead of your spouse, as your initial access to your right to reside and work is conditioned by your spouse's nationality and residence simultaneously.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

I am guessing then that I must have misread the other advice regarding advertising B permit status on the CV. This advice must be valid for 'trailing' spouses only, who are already resident with the Swiss spouse and are attempting to find work as a third-country national.

My situation is then a bit strange because I am the source of full-time employment income for the family but my wife is the Swiss. If we were to move in advance so that I could obtain the B permit then we would have no income source while I searched for a job. However, without the B permit and as a US national I have only received pre-emptive rejection so far from job applications I have made.

Is there a clear way to indicate on the CV or cover letter that residency is not the employer's responsibility in my case, if I understand correctly?
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I am guessing then that I must have misread the other advice regarding advertising B permit status on the CV. This advice must be valid for 'trailing' spouses only, who are already resident with the Swiss spouse and are attempting to find work as a third-country national.

My situation is then a bit strange because I am the source of full-time employment income for the family but my wife is the Swiss. If we were to move in advance so that I could obtain the B permit then we would have no income source while I searched for a job. However, without the B permit and as a US national I have only received pre-emptive rejection so far from job applications I have made.

Is there a clear way to indicate on the CV or cover letter that residency is not the employer's responsibility in my case, if I understand correctly?
It is usual that marital status is indicated on your CV. There you indicated you are married and that your spouse is Swiss. Then in your cover letter write that you are moving to Switzerland with your Swiss spouse.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

Hi my name is gina and just moved here in switzerland in basel like u i am married to a swiss citizen and i am a non swiss. When we are in china and planned to move here in switzerland my husband and i went to swiss consulate and told them that we will move to switzerland since his contract is finished so what we did is he applied me a visa which takes 3months in process and we submitted all documents they have asked us and an address in switzerland to reside. After 3months of waiting i get a temporary resident visa valid for 3months but when we arrived here within few days went to immigration and they changed it to visa B valid for 1 year renewable .So if your planning to work in switzerland the only possibility is Your wife must tell the swiss embassy that you were moving to switzerland then at the same time u can apply a visa.They cannot issue you a resident visa if you will not reside in switzerland.Sorry if my english is not so good! This is just based in my experienced.
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I am guessing then that I must have misread the other advice regarding advertising B permit status on the CV. This advice must be valid for 'trailing' spouses only, who are already resident with the Swiss spouse and are attempting to find work as a third-country national.

My situation is then a bit strange because I am the source of full-time employment income for the family but my wife is the Swiss. If we were to move in advance so that I could obtain the B permit then we would have no income source while I searched for a job. However, without the B permit and as a US national I have only received pre-emptive rejection so far from job applications I have made.

Is there a clear way to indicate on the CV or cover letter that residency is not the employer's responsibility in my case, if I understand correctly?
Unfortunately, the other problem you are going to find is that firms over here are becoming more and more reluctant to hire Americans, particulary if they need to have signing rights on business accounts, due to the imminent FATCA law coming into force. As an American only UBS and Credit Suisse will accept you for a bank account, none of the others are likely to even though your wife is Swiss. There are several threads here on the forum about it so do a search for FATCA to see what you're coming up against. If your wife is not able to get some kind of work to help tide you over once you're here, then I seriously suggest you consider staying where you are.
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I am an American and US citizen and my wife is Swiss and living with me in the US. Our marriage is registered in Switzerland. My evil plan is to fish around in the Swiss engineering job market and see what comes up. In order to do that I have generally been advised that it would be best to advertise B permit status on my CV in order to be clear that as a candidate I present no immigration or quota issues whatsoever. A B permit, once issued, requires residence 180 days out of the year, which would give me approximately 6 months to arrange interview dates and to visit and conduct the interviews before presumably accepting one of multiple offers and relocating in time to fulfill the permit requirements.

First question: Is it possible for my wife's relative living in Switzerland (in her own home canton) to apply for the B permit on my behalf, submitting the forms and other information required without my personal presence?

Second question: If that is not possible, is it possible for me to apply in person for the B permit while on 90-day visa-free 'tourist' travel?

I found the following form for the case of ZG. It does not mention a requirement to present a visa when applying or that application must be made in person.

http://www.zug.ch/behoerden/sicherhe...amiliennachzug

However, my wife is from kanton ZH and I could not locate the equivalent form on their website to verify if it is indeed also the case. If someone could locate this form for me I would be most grateful.

The consulate was not that helpful about the residence permit, being a cantonal matter, and as such she will be calling ZH next week to find out more details. The consulate did suggest that a Type D visa is required whenever one is entering Switzerland with the intent to reside.

I am not against applying for the visa, but mainly wondering if these is a more direct path to the permit given that I am only desiring the B permit at this stage in order to engage in effective job searching from abroad and do not plan to enter Switzerland until it is time for an interview.

Third question: If in possession of a current valid B permit, is it necessary to also have a current valid visa to enter Switzerland, or is the visa only a path to entry when necessary to secure a permit?

Fourth question: If the Type D visa is required to enter Switzerland even with a B permit, what is the recommendation as to the duration I should request on the visa application, and is there any particular reason I should not request a multiple-entry visa? Na´vely, I would request a 1 year multiple-entry visa for the greatest flexibility, but I would like to hear opinions on whether that request were likely to be rejected.

Would love to hear experiences of anyone else along these lines.
Hi,

As I know , first you have to ask for D visa at the Swiss Embassy and then come over Switzerland , get you B permit and try to get a job but from you are that is impossible, sorry for that but is the true.

You are US Citizen and married with a CH Citizen that is ok but apply for a job from you are that will be dificult that any company in CH will take you.

The best: Apply for D Visa, come to Switzerland, get your B permit, and apply for a job here ....Good luck
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

I would not worry about actually getting a visa yet.

All you need to do is keep repeating, over and over, 'my wife is swiss'...

Your job opportunities are probably higher once you are actually relocated to Switzerland, but every employer is going to ask you whether you are 'actually' located in Switzerland as part of the recruiting process, and 'pretending' you are here could backfire badly.

Does your wife have the possibility of also finding a job easily in Switzerland - I'd suggest saving a buffer of money first (if you don't have substantial savings) and then taking the plunge, but remember.....repeat after me..

"My wife is swiss"
"My wife is swiss"
"My wife is swiss"/

Oh, it would help if you can say it in German, French and Italian too
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

Hello-

I have a question regarding the type D visa- hopefully someone may have some insight.

My wife is Swiss, I am American. We are applying for the Type D visa prior to our move to Zurich.

My wife will be going back to school and is applying to a few universities in EU. My question is:
Will the type D visa, once granted, allow me( the american with the type D visa) to live and work in a Schengen member country? i.e.. she has been accepted to a program in Berlin, can I follow her with the Type D visa given by Switzerland and work in Berlin?

Thank you kindly for any insight any of you may have.
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Short answer, no. The Type D visa allows you entry into the Schengen Area of which Switzerland is a part, but your permit - which is what you need to live/work in Switzerland - only allows you to live/work in Switzerland. She would need to apply again in under a family reunification scheme in whichever Schengen country the uni is in to be able to bring you with her.

The only good thing is that having a Swiss permit means you wouldn't then need to apply for another Schengen visa to go to another country I don't think. Then again, if you're moving permanently as it were yes you may need to get another Type D visa. You'd have to check with that country's migration office to be sure.
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So, your wife is moving to Zurich but she is going to go to school in the EU, (i.e. not in Switzerland)? Will she maintain her residency in Zurich the whole time while she is doing this?

Do you understand that your permit, unless you have a job here in Switzerland already, is completely dependent on her living here and bringing you over under the family reunification guidelines, right? In other words, you cannot stay here if she subsequently moves to Berlin or Barcelona or Brugges.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

Thank you both for your replies.

After poking around, it was my understanding that I would be granted a type d multi entry visa which would give me the right to work and live in other member countries. Maybe multi entry just means free travel across member borders?
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Thank you both for your replies.

After poking around, it was my understanding that I would be granted a type d multi entry visa which would give me the right to work and live in other member countries. Maybe multi entry just means free travel across member borders?
No, all the multi entry visa does is allow you to enter the Schengen Area again if you leave it, without having to get another visa. Forget the permit side for a moment and say you plan a holiday to Switzerland and the UK. The multi entry visa allows you to come into Switzerland (Schengen), leave and go to the UK (non Schengen) and then return to Switzerland again without needing a new visa. It has nothing to do with granting you the right to live/work in a country. That's done by the Swiss permit here, don't know exactly how they deal with it in other Schengen Area countries, but it will be dependent on where your wife lives in the Schengen Area.

Continuing your original example, if she gets into a uni in Berlin then you will need to apply for the Type D visa via the German embassy and not the Swiss one as that's where she would be studying/living. As your wife needs to apply for you to join her it has to be done at an embassy of the country she'll be living/working in.

As TheSpouse said, if your wife gets into a uni outside of Switzerland and doesn't have her main residence here then you won't have the right to live/work here either as your permit is dependent on her living/studying in Switzerland.
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Re: Spousal B Permit & Type D Visa Questions

Just to add to the above - the Type D visa is issued to someone intending to stay in Switzerland as a long-term resident (greater than 3 months), often as part of family reunification. It's not the same as a multi-entry visitor's visa.

Most of the time a D-visa expires within a few months after you arrive, because you will register with the local authorities and get a residence permit to live and work here. Once you have a residence permit, you don't need a visa to come and go within Shengen so long as your permit is valid. BUT - as stated above you have to actually reside here, not elsewhere in Shengen. Your best bet is to have your wife find out the rules for the country where you plan to reside.

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Thank you all again for your insight. It all makes more sense now.

We're currently looking into applying for facilitated naturalislzation. We believe we meet the requirements.

The reason we are looking for an option that would allow us residing in different countries is because while she is finishing her program in Zurich I would like to accept a recent offer of employment in Germany, about 3 hours away from Zurich. I am an artist so applying for a freelance visa is another option we are looking into.

Does anyone have any experience with applying for facilitated naturalislzation? Would anyone know what to expect in terms of cost and length of process?
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Start here: https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

As you do not currently live in Switzerland, you'll need to have been married for 6 years. You'll need to prove your close ties to Switzerland, which may be difficult if you're not even planning on living here. Keep in mind even if you start this route, the naturalization application itself doesn't give you permission to live and work here. You'll still need the D-visa and supporting docs while your application is going through the process.

The processing time seems to vary greatly depending on the canton. I've seen stories here on EF of as few as 6 months, but those folks were living here and had not moved or changed jobs the entire time. I've also seen as long as 18 months.

And again, at the moment if you really want to be in Germany then you need to work with the German authorities to get a permit there. It should be straightforward, as you're married to a Swiss. Nothing wrong with getting naturalization going, but I'd not bother wasting my time with a family reunification permit for Switzerland if you don't actually plan to be here.

Edit - I have no idea how much it costs. Do a search here for facilitated naturalization and you'll find plenty of stories. Search box is in the upper right corner of your screen.

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Facilitated naturalization can take well over two years to complete from abroad. And even though it is 'facilitated' the application from abroad is far more thorough and complicated than if you were to do it in Switzerland. You have to prove strong ties and that is not easy from abroad, though clearly not impossible.
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Will the type D visa, once granted, allow me( the american with the type D visa) to live and work in a Schengen member country? i.e.. she has been accepted to a program in Berlin, can I follow her with the Type D visa given by Switzerland and work in Berlin?
Thank you kindly for any insight any of you may have.
Tyler - welcome to my hell, my wife and I are in a similar situation in Zurich. With us, I'm the dual national and my wife is waiting on her D visa. In speaking with the embassy in DC and my HR department here near Zurich it seems like the D Visa only lets you live here. Once you've got the D, and your wife is fully registered with the local authorities, etc... you'll have to apply for a work permit (valid for Switzerland as long as your wife lives here) through your canton office.
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