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Is translation mandatory? Legal Eagles call!

Two situations: 1. stolen ipad, 2. 200 franc charge for something I didn't know about.
1. Police are obviously not mandated to provide translation services but I figured it out in the end with a friend's help. Thank Gosh, I didn't call them while bullet/knife in chest because "Nein" didn't help me much from home, and they obviously don't trace police calls like we do back home.
2. When I sign something in German and am not provided translation is this legal? Apparently I signed that I knew about a 24 h cancellation. Most important is this issue of translation. What is an American's or English speaker's rights? I know back home we are Mandated to provide translation for every language so that a person can not be manipulated into signing without consent. Any legal eagles know the law on this?
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Re: Is translation mandatory? Legal Eagles call!

Why would anyone be mandated to provide you with translation services? Basically, don't sign stuff you don't understand.

(And assuming your "back home" is the same as mine, where on earth did you get the idea that the US is "mandated to provide translations for every language"?)
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Two situations: 1. stolen ipad, 2. 200 franc charge for something I didn't know about.
1. Police are obviously not mandated to provide translation services but I figured it out in the end with a friend's help. Thank Gosh, I didn't call them while bullet/knife in chest because "Nein" didn't help me much from home, and they obviously don't trace police calls like we do back home.
2. When I sign something in German and am not provided translation is this legal? Apparently I signed that I knew about a 24 h cancellation. Most important is this issue of translation. What is an American's or English speaker's rights? I know back home we are Mandated to provide translation for every language so that a person can not be manipulated into signing without consent. Any legal eagles know the law on this?
xo,
Zoe
The legal languages here are German, French and Italian translations into English is available for certain things,mbut if it's legal 9 times out of 10 it's an overview as contracts are formed in the legal languages.

Sorry to hear about your theft.

When you sign a contract you are bound by the terms and language of the place you sign in and yes it is the legality of the situation. Your rights are the same as a Swiss national in such matters provided you have a resident permit that is valid and correct.

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Re: Is translation mandatory? Legal Eagles call!

I worked in the office of immigration for Pennsylvania, that's what I was told, maybe it's not federal but state? Anyway, I think it'd be a good idea. Also as a teacher, we HAD to translate papers sent home even if their home language was Fujian. Makes sense to me.
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I worked in the office of immigration for Pennsylvania, that's what I was told, maybe it's not federal but state? Anyway, I think it'd be a good idea. Also as a teacher, we HAD to translate papers sent home even if their home language was Fujian. Makes sense to me.
How did you translate legal documents? Were they noterised and agreed to be correct and legally binding or an overview of what the documents were banging on about?
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Makes sense to me that people living in another country should take some responsibility for themselves- and ensure they understand what they sign, etc, be it via friends or colleagues or professional services, really.
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Re: Is translation mandatory? Legal Eagles call!

The parents were mandated to view the information video in their native language, then we sent any letters to a translation office or more easily had all the forms pre-translated in every language. We also had a translator present at all parent teacher conferences. School systems are very bureaucratic. I sort of resent being potentially maimed and unable to dial 117 and get help, or in this case owe cash because I wasn't provided a translation. I will call the embassy and let anyone who is interested (PM me) know tomorrow! Thanks Legal Eagles!
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Re: Is translation mandatory? Legal Eagles call!

Odile, you are the quintessential pull yourself up by the bootstraps conservative, I like the model we used back home-we're all in it together and have to take care of each other. What kind of name is Odile anyway, sounds un-American/English
BTW Je parle le français presque parfait! and a little Italiano, my Japanese is pretty good! Russian (mother tongue) still in effect, Spanish, learned it from my students in PA!
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Yeah, because Zuriyogini sounds very Pennsylvanian.

Get over yourself.
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It stands for Zurich Yogini (Sanskrit another language I know). And Malayalam and Hindi too. Maybe you need to get under this, or climb on board! It's fun on EF!
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Is this English Forum, or grumpy old men the sequel? Anyway I can't titillate you fellows anymore, it's almost 1am and I have to get up early to call the embassy!
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Nothing like intellect to titillate me. Why do you not flaunt your languages knowlegde some more, maybe I'll even acquiesce it with a random eyelid flutter.
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Is this English Forum, or grumpy old men the sequel? Anyway I can't titillate you fellows anymore, it's almost 1am and I have to get up early to call the embassy!
I'm sure the consul general will address your problem directly to the Bundesrat and Swissiland will soon be part of the axis of evil. Maybe you should pack your stuff before the conflict escalates.
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The parents were mandated to view the information video in their native language, then we sent any letters to a translation office or more easily had all the forms pre-translated in every language. We also had a translator present at all parent teacher conferences. School systems are very bureaucratic. I sort of resent being potentially maimed and unable to dial 117 and get help, or in this case owe cash because I wasn't provided a translation. I will call the embassy and let anyone who is interested (PM me) know tomorrow! Thanks Legal Eagles!
Well that's just giving an overview, here there is only black and white no real grey thus documents that can be misinterpreted are in the country's legal languages. Simple. You are not owed a translation because you don't understand, sorry

Now your original post asked if anyone knew the law on the fact you weren't provided info in your mother tongue yet you seem fit to " thank the legal eagles" your question was answered, Shorrick Mk2 has not responded directly but I think that is because of the other obvious posts, however this guy is seriously up on permit, laws, facts and dispelling myths. I have answered your question but I look forward to your answers from the powers that be. As one of the heads of a Swiss division that is 60,000 world wide strong and having access to over an umpteen legal minds within the matter of seconds I can get them to explain further but you will be on Swiss rates, that then becomes business and get your wallet out!

I'm not going to be so churlish as to groan you or give bad rep, but be warned others will. You asked for advise and got it; there is a cross section of folk on here from road sweepers to multi billion CEOs, a lot know what they are on about and genuinely want to help. Having a go at people like Odile, a wonderful lady, will alienate you more quickly than complaining to the cops that they don't understand you!

I fully grasp it's difficult here when you don't understand the culture and local dialect, hell I still struggle, but this place is for a new community and support. If you give these guys a chance as opposed to dispelling the comments you'd be surprised how much they will bend over backwards and help.
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I'm sure the consul general will address your problem directly to the Bundesrat and Swissiland will soon be part of the axis of evil. Maybe you should pack your stuff before the conflict escalates.
Hopefully the consul general speaks sanskrit else i can see another complaint thread tomorrow.
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Odile, you are the quintessential pull yourself up by the bootstraps conservative, I like the model we used back home-we're all in it together and have to take care of each other. What kind of name is Odile anyway, sounds un-American/English
BTW Je parle le français presque parfait! and a little Italiano, my Japanese is pretty good! Russian (mother tongue) still in effect, Spanish, learned it from my students in PA!
Guess what. This is not back home. In case you havent noticed this is another country with different customs and laws. And yes, a different () official language
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Two situations: 1. stolen ipad, 2. 200 franc charge for something I didn't know about.
1. Police are obviously not mandated to provide translation services but I figured it out in the end with a friend's help. Thank Gosh, I didn't call them while bullet/knife in chest because "Nein" didn't help me much from home, and they obviously don't trace police calls like we do back home.
2. When I sign something in German and am not provided translation is this legal? Apparently I signed that I knew about a 24 h cancellation. Most important is this issue of translation. What is an American's or English speaker's rights? I know back home we are Mandated to provide translation for every language so that a person can not be manipulated into signing without consent. Any legal eagles know the law on this?
xo,
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Don't understand much of this post to be honest, but the question has been answered already (though you seem reluctant to accept it). Before you sign a contract you are able to take it away and ask for (and pay for) a translation so you know what you are signing. You chose not to do that and so you are now liable for the contents of the contract. The embassy won't tell you any differently.

However, you say you were "manipulated into signing". What happened?
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I also don't quite understand the situation - are you saying you were forced to sign a contract for an iPad which is now missing/stolen?
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I also don't quite understand the situation - are you saying you were forced to sign a contract for an iPad which is now missing/stolen?
Me too. Apparently something got lost in translation...
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Is this English Forum, or grumpy old men the sequel? Anyway I can't titillate you fellows anymore, it's almost 1am and I have to get up early to call the embassy!
Oh, the "I was only trolling" defence.

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