Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 11.07.2012, 14:45
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,214
Groaned at 2,453 Times in 1,775 Posts
Thanked 39,298 Times in 18,522 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
all i have is a 90 day permit that is now expired (i obtained when i flew in to Berlin). I know that i wont be deported or put in jail over it.
Then you know WRONG!

You certainly can, and will, be deported over it!

Not only that, you will also be refused entry for a number of years.

And not just Switzerland, but ALL Schengen countries.

Tom
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 11.07.2012, 14:47
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 5,514
Groaned at 123 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,737 Posts
Shorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
. I obviously do not want to break any laws.

-swissangelo
Yeah well it is too late for that I reckon.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Shorrick Mk2 for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 11.07.2012, 15:12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
LISTEN.... I am well aware of the legalities that i am breaking by overstaying a visa. This was a simple question on what kind of problems i might have going to another Shenghan country. I am working on starting a business so i can obtain my residence permit/work visa. If you have nothing better to do that ask stupid questions and not help. Maybe you should get a life and go harass someone to their face instead of using the internet like a coward.
And maybe it's you who should LISTEN, having had your question answered here several times over.

All else apart, your business will not be allowed to be legally registered if you don't have a permit to be here, so it will not in any way serve as a means to you getting a proper permit. Quite the opposite, in fact - if you're already seen to have blatantly broken your conditions of entry by working and trying to establish a business then you will be refused a permit.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #24  
Old 11.07.2012, 15:34
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,353
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,448 Times in 2,964 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

How long have you overstayed ?

The only way I know of converting your status extremely quickly, is to have a lot of money and/or enrol as a full time student.

Your employer is *stupid* employing you illegally. How did you convince them it would be ok?

As soon as something comes up, you have to get on a plane to go back to the USA. If you are lucky, you will slip through (and then get banned from re-entering the Schengen zone) if you are unlucky, you will get picked up at the airport, fined, held up (possibly miss your flight) and then get banned from the Schengen zone.

Go home. Start again. It's not even legal for you to come looking for a job if you are not EU/UK citizen and don't have a work permit. You came as a tourist, you leave as a tourist. If you came as a 'resident' then you would have to register within 8 days as a resident.

Do you have health cover ? What happens if you fall over, hurt yourself, get hit by a car, have an accident skiing or get a serious illness ?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank swisspea for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 11.07.2012, 16:38
Slaphead's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,223
Groaned at 34 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 9,408 Times in 2,870 Posts
Slaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Interestingly the OP states in her profile that her nationalities are US, Irish, and German. If that's true, and she holds a passport/ID from either Ireland or Germany then things are greatly simplified.

Of course the copybook may already be blotted with the overstay.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Slaphead for this useful post:
  #26  
Old 11.07.2012, 16:39
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Overstayed Visa

They do check from time to time and when you get caught as you certianly will, you will be deported with a big stamp in your passport saying you were deported for an overstay.

So far not a big problem, until you try to apply for another visa to any other country.....then you will understand the implications.

Once you fly back to the states, your passport will also be checked.....you name and details logged into a central data base, allowing all Schengen members to see your track record.

My friend, you have a big problem, as we would if we overstayed a visa in your country
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #27  
Old 11.07.2012, 16:50
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,353
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,448 Times in 2,964 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

If you are doing this on an Irish passport, then you are not 'overstaying'...but you could be working illegally, and technically you should have registered with the local town hall too...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank swisspea for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 11.07.2012, 17:12
gata's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Geneva
Posts: 3,887
Groaned at 67 Times in 48 Posts
Thanked 3,629 Times in 1,702 Posts
gata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
LISTEN.... I am well aware of the legalities that i am breaking by overstaying a visa. This was a simple question on what kind of problems i might have going to another Shenghan country. I am working on starting a business so i can obtain my residence permit/work visa. If you have nothing better to do that ask stupid questions and not help. Maybe you should get a life and go harass someone to their face instead of using the internet like a coward.
Sure go to Sweden. Should be ok. Then with any luck you wont be allowed back in Switzerland and we will be one idiot short.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank gata for this useful post:
  #29  
Old 11.07.2012, 17:14
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 8,082
Groaned at 484 Times in 403 Posts
Thanked 14,715 Times in 5,780 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
Sure go to Sweden. Should be ok. Then with any luck you wont be allowed back in Switzerland and we will be one idiot short.
Harsh









..... but fair
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
  #30  
Old 11.07.2012, 17:21
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,214
Groaned at 2,453 Times in 1,775 Posts
Thanked 39,298 Times in 18,522 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
Sure go to Sweden. Should be ok. Then with any luck you wont be allowed back in Switzerland and we will be one idiot short.
Assuming, of course, that the Swedes let him in!

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 11.07.2012, 23:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: CH
Posts: 1,038
Groaned at 244 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 699 Times in 434 Posts
Bucentaure is considered a nuisanceBucentaure is considered a nuisanceBucentaure is considered a nuisance
Re: Overstayed Visa

Well I don't want to put my finger in how many of the users here got their permit or even citizenship (or how their home country was tricking to get into Schengen and EU) without any merit or special talent (at least apparently so, exception made for a complete lack in simple basic education from their parents, if this counts for being special, but yes maybe this kind of deficiency in Switzerland is rare);

who never made a mistake or was ignorant or negligent about law;

how many of our new Swissies' ancestors struggled for a development of and in Switzerland together with the Swiss, got their taxes paid for centuries and contributed for building up the country instead of keeping Europe's war machinery on tour;


all the OP did was asking for some info on how she/he could turn into a legal status most of the users here hold proudly with or without any personal input.

My advice would be that one to contact the sans-papiers-org

http://www.sans-papiers.ch/

or to develop a niche-talent which is maybe appreciated in Switzerland, and apply for a visa from the US with that skill.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users groan at Bucentaure for this post:
  #32  
Old 12.07.2012, 00:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ticino
Posts: 3,049
Groaned at 96 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 4,018 Times in 1,593 Posts
Snoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
LISTEN.... I am well aware of the legalities that i am breaking by overstaying a visa. This was a simple question on what kind of problems i might have going to another Shenghan country. I am working on starting a business so i can obtain my residence permit/work visa. If you have nothing better to do that ask stupid questions and not help. Maybe you should get a life and go harass someone to their face instead of using the internet like a coward.
I think you need a lesson in sex and travel....
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 12.07.2012, 10:56
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 5,514
Groaned at 123 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,737 Posts
Shorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
Well I don't want to put my finger in how many of the users here got their permit or even citizenship (or how their home country was tricking to get into Schengen and EU) without any merit or special talent (at least apparently so, exception made for a complete lack in simple basic education from their parents, if this counts for being special, but yes maybe this kind of deficiency in Switzerland is rare)
So other than random insults, your special talents are...?!
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Shorrick Mk2 for this useful post:
  #34  
Old 12.07.2012, 11:15
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 138 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

how does the OP have an apartment with a tourist visa - another dodgy deal?
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 12.07.2012, 12:01
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,164
Groaned at 106 Times in 71 Posts
Thanked 6,902 Times in 3,136 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
how does the OP have an apartment with a tourist visa - another dodgy deal?

I have never been asked for my permit when I've rented apartments. They just asked where I worked.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #36  
Old 12.07.2012, 12:08
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 138 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

mm always been asked for mine, maybe im dodgy
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 12.07.2012, 15:45
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ticino
Posts: 3,049
Groaned at 96 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 4,018 Times in 1,593 Posts
Snoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond reputeSnoopy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Overstayed Visa

Theoretically as a landlord you are obliged to inform the local municipality when the tenants change. In such a case, if you had no permit, the authorities would be on to you. However, just how they can control something like that in a city like Geneva or Zurich escapes me. In a village it would probably be tougher to get away with when everyone knows everyone else's business...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Snoopy for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 12.07.2012, 15:54
Wisescarab's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wangen Bei Olten, Solothurn
Posts: 181
Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 232 Times in 97 Posts
Wisescarab has earned some respectWisescarab has earned some respect
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
Interestingly the OP states in her profile that her nationalities are US, Irish, and German. If that's true, and she holds a passport/ID from either Ireland or Germany then things are greatly simplified.

Of course the copybook may already be blotted with the overstay.

Given the OP's past posts, and thus forth, I think she is confusing nationality with ethnicity. There isn't much reading comprehension on her part.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Wisescarab for this useful post:
  #39  
Old 12.07.2012, 16:35
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: CH
Posts: 1,038
Groaned at 244 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 699 Times in 434 Posts
Bucentaure is considered a nuisanceBucentaure is considered a nuisanceBucentaure is considered a nuisance
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
So other than random insults, your special talents are...?!
Who cares about my talents (or even "talents"), that is and was not my point.

My msg was - again - that


it does not deliver any value-added to anybody falling into this recurrent "I'm the rich expat full of expertise and personal merit - you are not" ingroup-outgroup thing some users point out continuously (obviously they are really that weak and need that so much), reinforcing themselves and making them feel somehow "superior" to those stupid newbies without any brains and qualification.


Among those people I still would distinguish between those who at least (apart from their Anglo-saxon dominated rude speech) have some point and give some info

and those who simply define others as
Quote:
View Post
one idiot short
without any use to anybody.


Imho one of the biggest weak points of this forum.
Sometimes a pity, sometimes a little bit funny, but mainly odd. Not Swiss-like at all.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12.07.2012, 17:24
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Overstayed Visa

Quote:
View Post
Who cares about my talents (or even "talents"), that is and was not my point.

My msg was - again - that


it does not deliver any value-added to anybody falling into this recurrent "I'm the rich expat full of expertise and personal merit - you are not" ingroup-outgroup thing some users point out continuously (obviously they are really that weak and need that so much), reinforcing themselves and making them feel somehow "superior" to those stupid newbies without any brains and qualification.


Among those people I still would distinguish between those who at least (apart from their Anglo-saxon dominated rude speech) have some point and give some info

and those who simply define others as
without any use to anybody.


Imho one of the biggest weak points of this forum.
Sometimes a pity, sometimes a little bit funny, but mainly odd. Not Swiss-like at all.
From what I read at the beginning of the thread (and on others posted by Swissangelo) the "talentless" expats seem to have taken time out of their day to give some sound advice at least in the first few posts before our little OP decided that "stupid questions" were being asked of him then claimed he knew the best course of action, resulting in a flounce.

Good luck to him. He's going to need it.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
alien, illegal immigrants, overstay, travel, visa




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Applying for a visa having already arrived on tourist visa. Hanzblix Permits/visas/government 6 01.07.2012 15:03
Applying for Dependent Visa based on temporary visa prasun2005 Permits/visas/government 0 17.06.2012 16:03
2 married students coming to study, student visa or dependant visa? Joobear Permits/visas/government 0 06.03.2012 10:35
Entry on Tourist Visa, while Student Visa is processed? ireallyshouldbeworking Permits/visas/government 8 07.02.2012 12:45
EU citizen who overstayed expired L-permit.. can I leave without consequences? rbyrn000 Permits/visas/government 11 14.06.2010 18:32


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0