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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

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The employer and I decided that it would be best to start the collaboration remotely.

Being hired on a consultant position and dealing with all kinds of new technologies and products, we agreed that it would be wise to take it baby-steps, meaning that I should not go through the entire process of moving to Switzerland and then deciding that it is not the place for me or that the job is not challenging/pleasant enough.
Consider it as a safety precaution for both of us, which imho is totally understandable.

By working remotely, I will, of course, travel quite often to Switzerland for some projects and I will get the feeling of the life style and all other aspects of living there.
Afterwards, when we both feel comfortable enough, I will relocate here permanently.

This being said, they considered that paying a specific amount for the time spent working from Romania and another amount when relocating permanently to Switzerland would be fair for both of us. I agreed, of course.

That's pretty much the story here. It's complicated but life is complicated, there are no real shortcuts.

If the decision cannot be changed, then we will switch probably the approach, self-employed in Romania and issuing invoices to them - taxes and everything payed here.
Will re-apply for the work permit when relocated, I suppose.

Thanks for your valuable help!

Regards,
I understand and don't fault the baby-step approach but I really can't see the difference between "consulting from Romania" and "being self-employed in Romania". For me it's one and the same thing, but anyway.

What I can fault is the company applying for a Swiss work permit in Romania with a romanian salary... shows they really haven't done their homework as it was never likely to go through to begin with.

If you're domiciled and working from Romania, it is Romanian legislation that applies - it's pretty pointless going through the Swiss motions!
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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

Is it true that there will be a referendum this month about lifting or not lifting the work permit quotas for EU-2 nationals?

As far as I read in the official online documents, the quotas are supposed to be lifted on May 31st the latest, this year.

I also checked for online updates, but haven't found anything related to that.
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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

Hi everyone. Not the best place for a first post, but since I am interested in the subject as well...
The quotas are not the main subject here. The main subject would be for EU-2 to be able to take employment like EU-25, without having to worry about the priority for swiss nationals, EU-25 and integrated foreigners in the labour market. This is supposed to happen from the 31st of May.
As far as I know, the quotas will still be in place. And I wouldn't worry so much about the quotas, as long as the priority clause will be lifted.
As such, there is no indication and no information that this priority will be kept and giving the recent development of extending the treaty to Croatia nationals, I think (and hope) that this priority will be lifted.
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Is it true that there will be a referendum this month about lifting or not lifting the work permit quotas for EU-2 nationals?

As far as I read in the official online documents, the quotas are supposed to be lifted on May 31st the latest, this year.

I also checked for online updates, but haven't found anything related to that.
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Hi everyone. Not the best place for a first post, but since I am interested in the subject as well...
The quotas are not the main subject here. The main subject would be for EU-2 to be able to take employment like EU-25, without having to worry about the priority for swiss nationals, EU-25 and integrated foreigners in the labour market. This is supposed to happen from the 31st of May.
As far as I know, the quotas will still be in place. And I wouldn't worry so much about the quotas, as long as the priority clause will be lifted.
As such, there is no indication and no information that this priority will be kept and giving the recent development of extending the treaty to Croatia nationals, I think (and hope) that this priority will be lifted.
Riana22, no, there will be no referendum because there's no need for one. At the moment the quota limits are supposed to end in May 2016. However there is provision in the agreement to extend this until May 2019. I expect this to happen given the vote to curb EU immigration.

pallmac, you may not be aware, but the Swiss people voted in a referendum to curb immigration from the whole of the EU back in February 2014. This means the Swiss government has to implement this by February 2017. The proposal at the momet is for a safeguard clause to be added to the Swiss constitution allowing the government to apply quota limits if they decide immigration numbers from the EU are too high. There is NO way that priority for Swiss nationals and those people already living here will be abolished, in fact the opposite. Even more priority will be given to hiring of people already living in Switzerland.

As far as Croatia goes, they already have quota limits and I expect their agreement will be similar to the ones for EU-8 and EU-2 nationals where there is a 10 year transition period before full free movement without quotas comes into play. So for the foreseeable future Croatians may be able to come here to seek work more easily than they can at the moment, but they will still be subject to quota limits as far as getting a permit goes.
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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

Hi Medeea,

I am aware of the referendum but that is not the point here.
Until there is an amendment to the Swiss-EU treaty (which, unfortunately for those who voted for curbing the immigration, needs to be discussed and negotiated with the EU if they want to keep the EU treaties) the existing rules apply. This means that EU-2 will have the same rights as EU-25 starting 31st of May. I was asking if there was any development that was listed officially as such regarding this. All oficial swiss channels say that EU-2 is subject to priority rule until 31st of May. Asking three cantonal authorities (Zurich, Bern and Vaud) the oficial answer was that the priority rule will no longer apply, but the most important rule will be the working conditions (high salaries, skills and same rights as the other similar employees for the same job) and all aplications will be still subject to quotas. They also said, unofficially, that they would still be looking for economic advantages and skilled employees, leading me to understand that if it is a skilled and experienced position then it is ok, but if it is something like unskilled labour or low wages jobs, then they won't accept the application.
Let me be clear, I am perfectly capable of being a succesful applicant for work permit by the today's rules or even tighter ones (my job is a niche one and requires long years of training and experience) and I started having offers without actually looking for them but I am still researching what it would be like to live in Switzerland and if it is the right choice. I also understand they might not care for the EU treaties and do as they wish. It is just an interest for any new developments not the word of mouth and actual and real experiences.
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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

I can't edit my previous message, but an official piece of imformation that I forgot to add:
http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/ejpd/de/hom...016-03-04.html (german only, sorry)
Basically:
It's going to take some consultations and it will need approval from the Parliament. The quotas will apply from a certain figure up, but this figure is still unknown. Until the Brexit referendum, everything is on hold anyway, as this type of decisions would need to be discussed, confirmed and agreed with the EU. On other forums there are some legal swiss advisors that confirm the above.
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Hi Medeea,

I am aware of the referendum but that is not the point here.
Until there is an amendment to the Swiss-EU treaty (which, unfortunately for those who voted for curbing the immigration, needs to be discussed and negotiated with the EU if they want to keep the EU treaties) the existing rules apply. This means that EU-2 will have the same rights as EU-25 starting 31st of May. I was asking if there was any development that was listed officially as such regarding this. All oficial swiss channels say that EU-2 is subject to priority rule until 31st of May. Asking three cantonal authorities (Zurich, Bern and Vaud) the oficial answer was that the priority rule will no longer apply, but the most important rule will be the working conditions (high salaries, skills and same rights as the other similar employees for the same job) and all aplications will be still subject to quotas. They also said, unofficially, that they would still be looking for economic advantages and skilled employees, leading me to understand that if it is a skilled and experienced position then it is ok, but if it is something like unskilled labour or low wages jobs, then they won't accept the application.
Let me be clear, I am perfectly capable of being a succesful applicant for work permit by the today's rules or even tighter ones (my job is a niche one and requires long years of training and experience) and I started having offers without actually looking for them but I am still researching what it would be like to live in Switzerland and if it is the right choice. I also understand they might not care for the EU treaties and do as they wish. It is just an interest for any new developments not the word of mouth and actual and real experiences.
Nothing has been announced yet. However, the last time the Swiss used the safeguard clause it wasn't announced until April 18th 2012 for a 1st May 2012 start. And as I said it is possible, as part of the EU-2 agreement, that the quota could be extended until May 31st 2019. So they could easily announce this in April or even later. If there is no announcement, then yes EU-2 nationals will have the same, complete freedom of movement without quotas as the rest of the EU-25. My feeling is that they will extend the quotas to 2019 though. It's an easy step for the Swiss government to take and shows they're doing all they can at the moment to curb EU immigration while they sort out how to deal with the referendum fallout with the EU. But we will see come April/May.

If you're looking at possibly moving here then I suggest you get hold of a copy of "Living and Working in Switzerland" by David Hampshire. It's full of useful info for both before and after you move. You can order it from your local bookshop or via the Internet.
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Re: Applying for a work permit / EU-2 citizen

Medeea, I added another message at the same time with you. Being something more official, it brings some light...
And yes, the quotas can and probably will still be held. I have given the details above of what they think to do, at least in three cantons.It's not the thing that bothers me. But in terms of limiting acces and still using the priority rule for EU-2 that would not be possible as the treaty does not allow for such a change without a consent from EU. They can still impose quotas for another two years and deny a permit if there are things they don't like as I have said before (the answers from the cantons).
Let's seewhat happens this montn and the next one..,

I have that book, thank you for the advice, i have read it twice already.
Moving to Switzerland is just part of my career and nothing more. It just seems the obvious step in my development, but I still need to decide myself and have offers from places I want to work in, until now the offers are not from my desired ones (and I mean companies as places, not geographical areas of Switzerland), we're still discussing and negotiating. Even subject to quotas, free movement as coming over to apply for a permit as EU-25 has, without priority rule, would be a better point in negotiations.
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Can a moderator please edit my reply above to add a "not" and change to "It's not the thing that bothers me" on the second line? Thamk you
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Can a moderator please edit my reply above to add a "not" and change to "It's not the thing that bothers me" on the second line? Thamk you
Click on the triangle top right of the post you want altering. This allows you to contact a moderator to ask. Mods don't read every single post every single day so they might miss a written request within a thread.
If you, like me, make typing errors, click on 'Preview post' (right beside 'submit reply') before you send it off. Then you can take out some of the more visible errors before sending.

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