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URGENT British National 15 years in GE applying for a B/C permit

Hello All,

I need your help. I have been working for an international organization in GE for 10.5 years on a legitimation card but have been made redundant in early May 2012. I originally arrived in GE in 1988 and am able to apply for a Swiss passport in December 2013. I am a single mum with two young children.

I have prepared a business plan as an independant to attach to the UE/AELE form, since I am aiming at creating my own home-based Virtual Assistant and Online Marketing Expert plus Online Life Coach business. I am also looking for part-time fixed employment to cover the usual day-to-day cost of living. I'm also adding my CV, two guarantor letters and employer references, an attestation from the UN agency which I worked for, plus a covering letter.

My problem is that I was unable to create any savings, I have three poursuits to the tune of CHF5,000 and my rent will be one month late! I'm feeling rather stressed at the moment.

My question is: Do I attach a covering letter? What should I say in the covering letter? I thought I should mention that the poursuits will be paid, I am honest and reliable, that I will find employment without a problem in time. I may ask for temporary social aid until I find work (should I mention this?). My business plan sets out my future earning potential. What can I do to make my case stronger. August 2 will be three months without a permit.

I have to hand in the papers today! Sorry for such an urgent post!
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Old 18.07.2012, 10:39
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ok, I don't mean to be rude but...
you want to be a life coach and you're asking us re. a covering letter?

cover letter... yes by all means
what to say... as you've told us, restate ( briefly ) your business plans and potential earning ( no one will read your in-depth business plan if they don't feel insipired by the cover letter ) but frankly as you've been on a carte de legit , and having paid no taxes into the Swiss system (I've been on carte de legit 12years ) I wouldn't count on a lot of social support from the Swiss system.

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sure is not easy
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I would have thought that if you are a UK citizen the quickest way to get yourself out of the mess is to get a proper job in Switzerland.

If you have two children, are you being financially supported by the father of those two children, and has that all been finalised ?
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Are you allowed to go back to the UK with the kids and start afresh ?
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ok, I don't mean to be rude but...
you want to be a life coach and you're asking us re. a covering letter?

cover letter... yes by all means
what to say... as you've told us, restate ( briefly ) your business plans and potential earning ( no one will read your in-depth business plan if they don't feel insipired by the cover letter ) but frankly as you've been on a carte de legit , and having paid no taxes into the Swiss system (I've been on carte de legit 12years ) I wouldn't count on a lot of social support from the Swiss system.

sorry.
for no problem, but legalities for a swiss permit and becoming a life coach are completely different issues!

Thanks for the advice and it's a real sad affaire working on a carte legit. I still hold some hope about a positive outcome to the permit and I'm handing the forms in all the same.
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I would have thought that if you are a UK citizen the quickest way to get yourself out of the mess is to get a proper job in Switzerland.

If you have two children, are you being financially supported by the father of those two children, and has that all been finalised ?
You're absolutely right, getting a job is the main key, however as you may know the market is fierce with so many other people being laid off this year alone! I have applied for quite a few jobs and continue to apply on a a daily basis, it's a waiting game and financially crippling. That's one of the reasons for starting my own virtual assistant business.
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for no problem, but legalities for a swiss permit and becoming a life coach are completely different issues!
yes, its very sad, all those years not owing Switzerland a penny in taxes...

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Hello All,

I need your help. I have been working for an international organization in GE for 10.5 years on a legitimation card but have been made redundant in early May 2012. I originally arrived in GE in 1988 and am able to apply for a Swiss passport in December 2013. I am a single mum with two young children.

I have prepared a business plan as an independant to attach to the UE/AELE form, since I am aiming at creating my own home-based Virtual Assistant and Online Marketing Expert plus Online Life Coach business. I am also looking for part-time fixed employment to cover the usual day-to-day cost of living. I'm also adding my CV, two guarantor letters and employer references, an attestation from the UN agency which I worked for, plus a covering letter.

My problem is that I was unable to create any savings, I have three poursuits to the tune of CHF5,000 and my rent will be one month late! I'm feeling rather stressed at the moment.

My question is: Do I attach a covering letter? What should I say in the covering letter? I thought I should mention that the poursuits will be paid, I am honest and reliable, that I will find employment without a problem in time. I may ask for temporary social aid until I find work (should I mention this?). My business plan sets out my future earning potential. What can I do to make my case stronger. August 2 will be three months without a permit.

I have to hand in the papers today! Sorry for such an urgent post!
After some deep thought and research, I've decided to hold off the permit request until I have employment and am earning some kind of income.

I've lived in Geneva for over 20 years on and off and going back to England is not an option for now - although I'm glad that I do have that option whenever I need to. My kids and I have settled in Geneva, I have many friends and I'm sure I'll find another job and my business will work out. It's a matter of time and money. I'm going to weather the storm. I'll be using some new negotiation skills and who knows - one day - I'll be able to help other people going through a similar situation!

I was on temporary contracts for 11 years which meant I had minimal staff entitlements and no payoff/indemnity upon losing my contract and I received no child benefits. The organization only needed to give me a 10-day notice of a non-renewal irrespective of the length of time I worked for them - disgraceful.

I know many UN staff holding long-term temporary contracts (9 to 15 years as temps) who have not been able to save and can just about pay their monthly bills even without paying taxes. Having a cart legit seems great, but in my point of view, the benefits of not paying taxes is a "trojan horse", if you lose your job and haven't been able to save, what financial assistance is there here? - nothing - why? because we do not hold a valid work permit B/C etc. I'd rather pay taxes and know that I'm covered if ever I lose a job, but unfortunately, we don't have that choice on a cart legit. I thought I'd have a job for life at the UN, the loss of my job came so unexpectedly and I have never been in this situation before.

By my experience and in hindsight - I'd advise other people on temporary contracts or cart legitimations to take out "extra insurance" for "loss of earnings". I also believe there is a way of putting some money aside to be able to get unemployment benefits with the L'Ofice cantonal de l'emploi in case of a job loss (I'm going to research this and post it later).

Thanks to everyone who responded to my message.
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Re: URGENT British National 15 years in GE applying for a B/C permit

I really wish you'll find your way soon and this situation resolves. You seem to be a determined woman, keep the spirits up!

All the best to you.
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Re: URGENT British National 15 years in GE applying for a B/C permit

Probably I can ask dumb questions better than anybody else,

and/but I wonder why people don't simply apply for citizenship after so many years with permits in CH.

True it's better not to have any poursuite and not to depend upon public benefits and stuff like that,

but once got rid off debts, I don't really understand where the problem is.
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I know many UN staff holding long-term temporary contracts (9 to 15 years as temps) who have not been able to save and can just about pay their monthly bills even without paying taxes. Having a cart legit seems great, but in my point of view, the benefits of not paying taxes is a "trojan horse", if you lose your job and haven't been able to save, what financial assistance is there here? - nothing - why? because we do not hold a valid work permit B/C etc. I'd rather pay taxes and know that I'm covered if ever I lose a job, but unfortunately, we don't have that choice on a cart legit. I thought I'd have a job for life at the UN, the loss of my job came so unexpectedly and I have never been in this situation before.


If you haven't been able to save, what makes you think you'd have been able to pay taxes?!
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