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Old 18.07.2012, 21:37
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Obtaning the 'right' Permit ( Ausweis ) concerns

Hello,

Low poster here but have a concern with the visa process. Dunno if I'm looking for any answers. Maybe I'm just venting. Thanks for your ear if you make it to the end. My wife and I are kinda freaked out right now with some of this Swiss Visa process.

Note, we are not BASHING the process. We know we need to bend to their rules.

My wife (German citizen with US green card) and I (Full Born US Citizen) uprooted ourselves so we can be closer to her family as they are getting old. Additionally, my wife grew up here in CH, albeit not a Swiss Citizen. Since this is her home-turf, it looked like we covered as many eventualities as we could, plus toss in a tad of "she's been out of the country for about 10 years" and just a pinch of naive-ity (spelling?).

Anyway, we knew there would be some challenges, but this one is out of the blue.

The Swiss owned contracting company she got employed through before we even considered started the moving process assured us that she could get a B visa because of her German citizenship. Thus implied, because of her DE citizenship, I <i>may</i> be able to get a B as well (possibly I would need to get a job for the B, not primary issue right now). Cool, let's move!

We put our applications in the 3rd day we were here (First Monday after arrival). After 3 weeks-ish, she called today for an update on the progress, she was authorized with an L Visa...two weeks ago but she was not formally contacted. EEK! An L Visa because the contracting company is considered a Temp agency. What tha.. Her signed contract has NO end date. Ergo, NOT a temp. Double Ergo, long hauler. We were assured a B... meh

Trying to get out of her parents domicile may be a challenge. Is finding a place gonna be a tough? An L visa seems like after 1 year, off to re-apply, OK. But who wants to rent a descent place to someone who may not commit? Our "plan" was be be here for years to come.

Maybe there's duck that's not in the right place, maybe something was overlooked during the visa application. Maybe the agency needs to contact the visa people with a nicely worded blah blah about the longevity of the position and request an adjusement. Dunno.

Just freaking because it sounds like a L visa is going to limit some things. Luckily her job supplied her with a cell phone and we have a roof over our heads, if we don't drive each other crazy (in-law thing. heh)

Any input verbiage would be nice. Bracing myself for something we may not want to here at the same time. =)

If anything, thanks for letting us vent.

-Dk
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Old 19.07.2012, 00:51
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Re: Obtaning the 'right' Visa concerns.

I know many who have obtained lodging on L permits ( visa is to enter, permit is to reside in CH ) including non-EUs ( Australians, Americans, Indians etc. )

Of course the B permit would be better.
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Old 19.07.2012, 01:19
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Re: Obtaning the 'right' Permit ( Ausweis ) concerns

Given that she's a German citizen, even with an 'L' permit for whatever reason, she'll be better positioned to get an apartment than a Non-EU person, as a general rule. At least (assuming she speaks German / Swiss-German) she can communicate with the locals directly...

Don't let it bother you. I'd be more worried that something's not quite right with her contract/visa documentation - as a German citizen under the Shengen rules she should be able to take her work contract, passport and apartment details, and register at the local Gemeinde and get the permit issued with minimal fuss - make sure you go together with all the paperwork (marriage certificate, passports etc) - did you get an entry permit before you came in to Switzerland ? Is that what you've been talking about ?
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Given that she's a German citizen, even with an 'L' permit for whatever reason, she'll be better positioned to get an apartment than a Non-EU person, as a general rule. At least (assuming she speaks German / Swiss-German) she can communicate with the locals directly...

Don't let it bother you. I'd be more worried that something's not quite right with her contract/visa documentation - as a German citizen under the Shengen rules she should be able to take her work contract, passport and apartment details, and register at the local Gemeinde and get the permit issued with minimal fuss - make sure you go together with all the paperwork (marriage certificate, passports etc) - did you get an entry permit before you came in to Switzerland ? Is that what you've been talking about ?
Her Swiss German is fluent. She grew up just outside of this town so she carries the same dialect. We turned in a crapload of paperwork, together at the same time, incl marriage lic, birth certs, kit and kaboodle. For me was a couple of days later I needed an FBI check thing. Was cool cause my local (WA State) police report is being used as a temp until the formal FBI comes in. We did the Gemeinde thing, thru their process she was issued the L.

Entry permit, I'm afraid to ask. Her, ahem, company said all was in order but now I'm wondering. Was to our understand because she's a German citizen and we are married that not as necessary than if it was say, just me.

All we know is we uprooted to come here, knowing there'd be challenges and at times it's like "what's next?"

Even one of her friends here she's known since elementary school is like, you got an L?

Take it one day at a time I guess, thanks. =)

-dk
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Old 19.07.2012, 02:13
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Re: Obtaning the 'right' Permit ( Ausweis ) concerns

No problem, sounds like it's all in order. I have no idea why they issued an L permit (is it valid for 12 months?), but it should not cause any further dramas.

Don't expect a 'local' to have any idea what the visa process is - why would they know ? They haven't had to go through the process themselves (and it changes every few years anyhow)...
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Don't expect a 'local' to have any idea what the visa process is - why would they know ? They haven't had to go through the process themselves (and it changes every few years anyhow)...
Not just the locals, even the local Einwohnerkontrolle got their facts and procedures wrong in my case. I never had an L permit but was seeking answers to upgrade the B to C. A string of requirements came in from the Einwohnerkontrolle ( including that I was precluded from applying more than 2 months prior to expiry ) and when I verified with my Canton´s ( ZH ) Migrationsmat, I got an encouraging response by email that confirmed my suspicions. ( Das Verlängerungsgesuch können Sie frühstens 3 Monate vor dem Ablauf der Bewilligung bei der Einwohnerkontrolle oder dem Kreisbüro der zuständigen Wohngemeinde einreichen - was one of many things the local Einwohnerkontrolle had to take note )

I showed the local Einwohnerkontrolle that email who then reluctantly waived many requirements ( and fees too ).

A spouse of an EU citizen is entitled to the same permit. Ask your spouse to write to the Graubünden Migrationsamt or equivalent ( link / GR link ) and enquire if she deserved a better permit - no harm in asking I believe.
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Old 19.07.2012, 21:54
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Re: Obtaning the 'right' Permit ( Ausweis ) concerns

Ok, got some gooderer news today.

My wife contacted the contracting company. They were surprised too that an L was issued, and not the B Visa. He said in all his years of setting up work for EU citizens with their company (especially an EU1) they were all done and approved as a B.

He thinks it was a wording thing on the application and the people doing it. Somehow because the contract says "Temporary", even though it's an open ended contract with no end date (as all of their aforementioned ones also said), it was thought of being a 'temp' position/contract by the processor.

Since that person is out on vacation until next Monday, that's when that'll happen.

*sigh* heh good times indeed! Will keep posted, Thanks.

-Dk
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Re: Obtaning the 'right' Permit ( Ausweis ) concerns

Looks like it got resolved. =)

On Monday the contract company contacted the immigration peeps in Chur. After he talked with the supervisor it was discovered there were 2 additional documents that were a part of the contract as a whole which outlined, in greater detail, about the role and terms of her work. That's what was missing. To them it seemed like just a Temp job, where-as the other two pages showed it was "permanent" (well, not temp anyway).

As such they determined, under those circumstances, she would get the B Visa, and I would get the B Visa as well (for 6 months pending the FBI report, at which time it would be extended, etc.). They said we can pick them up in a couple of days.

So, was there a lesson here? Don't know for sure. But next time we'll just them everything, even if we think it'll be more than they need, because it might be what holds stuff up.

Cool beans and thanks.

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Congrats .. on the B permit.
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Congrats .. on the B permit.
Yes, Bewilligung, permit. I stand currected. Why is "visa" so stuck in my head? Maybe its what I'm used to hearing in the US.

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Great news that you've sorted out the permit problems. Now you both only have to deal with FATCA and US taxes. At least the permit will make it easier for sorting out accommodation sans in-laws.
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