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receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

I have read this document (link see below), for get a C permit, it says "Proof that the applicant for the duration of stay in Switzerland, never had to be supported by welfare." (German "Nachweis, dass der Gesuchsteller während der gesamten Dauer des Aufenthaltes in der Schweiz nie von der Sozialhilfe unterstützt werden musste. ")


Is "no job insurance" belong to this welfare. I was unemployed for a few months and actually get money from this insurance. Will this record effect my C permit application? thanks a lot.





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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Unemployment insurance payments are not welfare.

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Unemployment insurance payments are not welfare.

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good to know. thanks.
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Could I resurrect this thread? Do the following count as social welfare in terms of affecting your permit renewal?

Unemployment Insurance?
Monthly Payments for Children (200chf - 300 chf depending on the canton)?
Health Insurance Subsidies?
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

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Could I resurrect this thread? Do the following count as social welfare in terms of affecting your permit renewal?

Unemployment Insurance? No
Monthly Payments for Children (200chf - 300 chf depending on the canton)? No
Health Insurance Subsidies? Some say yes, some say no
See above
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Thanks! So to find out 100% if health insurance subsidies would affect the permit renewal, one would contact AVS/OCAS or the Office Cantonal de la Population...[which one]?
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Unlike social welfare, there is no requirement to pay health insurance subsidies back - they are effectively a tax credit.

Health insurance subsidies do not affect getting citizenship, so I doubt very much whether they affect getting a C-permit.

The vast majority of people in Switzerland who've grown up here will, at 18, be on very low or zero income, and so begin to receive health insurance subsidies. This categorically does not affect citizenship application. (If it did, no non-Swiss child growing up here could become a citizen, especially since there's no payback mechanism for the subsidy).

It seems some people argue that since it's part of the welfare system (which it is), it counts as social welfare for C-permit and citizenship purposes (which it doesn't).

Since my kids reached 18, got their subsidy and are in the final stages of becoming Swiss, it's clearly not the case that the subsidy affects citizenship - otherwise they'd have been knocked back at the administrative stage.

Furthermore, I have a C permit and received such subsidy while still on a B permit. In my first year hear, I took the proceeds of my UK house sale and put them into my pension fund - resulting in a massive tax deduction, putting me in the "low income" bracket for that year.

I concede that maybe some cantons do treat them as social welfare, but I very much doubt that and no-one has said on this site "I applied for a C permit and was knocked back because i received health insurance subsidies".
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Please note that there is a difference in terms of requirement for upgrading B to C permit and renew an existing C permit.

First time C permit (B upgrade to C), if there is no "right" ("rights" applies only to some EU nationals whose country have special agreements with CH, or spouse of CH citizen/C permit holders), the requirements are rather strict:
- clean criminal record in the past n years
- no poursuite in the past m years
- no social welfare in the past t years
- (most cases) being employed during the upgrade

Renewing existing C permit, can only be denied if the revocation condition for C permit is true (art. 62 @ federal law on foreigners). This means that:
- criminal record, if not severe (e.g. >6 months or 1 year prison, do not remember exactly) will not disqualify you of the renewal
- poursuite (regardless of the amount) will not either
- being employed or not, receiving unemployment benefit or not, is not relevant either
- social welfare, if not a large amount (>80,000 accumulated amount) or during a long period of time, will not automatically disqualify you either (although you may probably encounter hassles for the renewal)
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Re: receiving social welfare effects changing C permit

Would a child of 18+ studying and living with his parents (who don't get health insurance subsidy) get a health insurance subsidy ?
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