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Permit - I should not of registered partner, how to fix

Hi,

When i came to Switzerland with my Fiancee i thought i had to register me and her.

I am working, and have an apartment and am staying here.

However, my Fiancee, is not staying here. She has been here for 5 weeks, but is then going back to the UK for 3 weeks, then she will come back if she can for another couple of weeks.

Problem is: She now has an L permit, and she is required to pay for private health care...... i dont want to pay it!

She is effectively coming over on holiday, and when she comes she brings her EHIC card, and buys travel insurance.

She does not work here, and does not intend to.

Can i just deregister her at the local Germanide, send her home for x amount of weeks, and then whenever she can come back...she can just come and go as she pleases?

Im not trying to wriggle out of paying the health care for her, but she actually does not live here, work her, or receive any form of money here - she is literally just staying with me whenever she can, which may be one week in every month, up to 3 weeks in every month.


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Old 09.08.2012, 20:26
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Re: Permit - I should not of registered partner, how to fix

Unless she is registered, she can stay a maximum of 90 days out of every 180.

You do the math.
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Old 09.08.2012, 21:30
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Re: Permit - I should not of registered partner, how to fix

Yes, you can just de-register someone at the Gemeinde for about 70 CHF I believe. They give you a certificate which you can copy and send to insurance companies etc.

But take note of Shorrock's point. If she is non-resident, she becomes just like any tourist or casual visitor in terms of her ability to spend time in the country.
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Old 09.08.2012, 21:41
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Yes, you can just de-register someone at the Gemeinde for about 70 CHF I believe. They give you a certificate which you can copy and send to insurance companies etc.

But take note of Shorrock's point. If she is non-resident, she becomes just like any tourist or casual visitor in terms of her ability to spend time in the country.
Well, if she has got a UK passport she has the right to be in Shengen as long as she likes, who would know how many days she was in France.......
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Old 09.08.2012, 23:51
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Re: Permit - I should not of registered partner, how to fix

Except that as she'll be flying in from the Yooo Kay she'll be crossing into Schengen (hence possibly recorded) each time...kinda hard to convince the authorities you flew to Switzerland but you really wanted to go to France instead.
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Old 09.08.2012, 23:59
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Except that as she'll be flying in from the Yooo Kay she'll be crossing into Schengen (hence possibly recorded) each time...kinda hard to convince the authorities you flew to Switzerland but you really wanted to go to France instead.
If you fly to Basel Euroairport and take the wrong exit door, however...
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Except that as she'll be flying in from the Yooo Kay she'll be crossing into Schengen (hence possibly recorded) each time...kinda hard to convince the authorities you flew to Switzerland but you really wanted to go to France instead.
Well...You have friends in Annecy so you landed at Geneva and crossed the border - no stamp of exit.

It won't be hard to convince the authorities, I think in these cases they don't even bother with overstaying since their borders are 90% "uncontrolled" with their neighbors, so they don't care if EU (schengen or not) overstays...

With non eu that is a whole different matter...
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Except that as she'll be flying in from the Yooo Kay she'll be crossing into Schengen (hence possibly recorded) each time...kinda hard to convince the authorities you flew to Switzerland but you really wanted to go to France instead.
Where do you think many people landing in Geneva go, France Savoie, Haute Savoie, Ain. Do you really think most of those people go via Milan or Lyon which would add 2 hours to their journey?
What about the people landing at Euroairport......
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Where do you think many people landing in Geneva go, France Savoie, Haute Savoie, Ain. Do you really think most of those people go via Milan or Lyon which would add 2 hours to their journey?
What about the people landing at Euroairport......
I suspect these many people don't have a fiance that is registered as resident here however...
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I suspect these many people don't have a fiance that is registered as resident here however...
And how relevant will that be to a UK national arriving at Geneva airport? How are they going to know who her fiancee is and where he is living?

Bottom line, you can go to France and enter Switzerland from there or take a flight from Paris, you will void getting a stamp of entry hence now way of telling when you actually arrived in CH.

The Swiss aren't worried and don't care about the EU nationals visiting and overstaying, the problem for them are the non EU and that's why there are strict rules about them.

But as EU citizen there is no possibility for the authorities to establish a proof of entry hence can not control how long you stay here.
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And how relevant will that be to a UK national arriving at Geneva airport? How are they going to know who her fiancee is and where he is living?
It's quite simple. Once you have received a permit, you're in the system... even if you deregister. So once your passport is scanned, it shows up on the screen.

It's called "a database".

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Bottom line, you can go to France and enter Switzerland from there or take a flight from Paris, you will void getting a stamp of entry hence now way of telling when you actually arrived in CH.
Yes, that sounds like the easy way to commute...

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But as EU citizen there is no possibility for the authorities to establish a proof of entry hence can not control how long you stay here.
Oh you'd be surprised.
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It's quite simple. Once you have received a permit, you're in the system... even if you deregister. So once your passport is scanned, it shows up on the screen.

It's called "a database".
So even if they do this check up and you show onto their screen as "deregistered" what the issue will be? They won't stamp your passport. Even if they do, you can always leave the country by car or train and never receive an exit stamp thus they can not established how long you've stayed.


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Yes, that sounds like the easy way to commute...
Why would it be different or harder? OP said his fiancee is coming occasionally, it wouldn't add a lot to her trip. Couple of hours at the most.


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Oh you'd be surprised.
I am a non EU passport holder and I know that they do a lot of check ups on me, entry date, exit date and sometimes it is harder to establish the exit date and they know it. But for an EU national that can travel without passport and never gets a stamp even in Switzerland - I'm not surprised that they can check on you but they rather not - the Schengen and "open" borders are made with the knowledge of people "overstaying" and they don't bother you with that. She won't be working here, she won't be using any public service, she'll spend her own money...so what's the issue here?
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Re: Permit - I should not of registered partner, how to fix

Back in 2010 before I moved here I was in and out of the country a lot (from Ireland, non-schengen). It was flagged at one point and had to answer a few questions such as why I was coming and going, business or pleasure etc etc.

Just because you don't receive a stamp doesn't mean that you didn't get one electronically. They scanned my passport each time which is how they saw my entries into the country.

I am EU though I always entered and exited by Geneva/Basel. I doubt they can say for any certainty how long you've stayed but if you're in and out of the country a lot it may get noticed though whether anything would come of it is another matter.
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