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Old 21.11.2007, 18:56
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Hi, Everyone,

I saw some similar threads over the issue, although there is some uniqueness in my case:

I already signed a contract with my employer (A telecom company in Zurich) for 12 months (Oct 1, 2007-Sep 30, 2008) and AIESEC (A nonprofit through which i find the one year internship) is helping me to apply for a L-permit, which is supposed to be expired on Sep 30, 2008.

This employer of mine told me that the actual internship is designed to be 6 months, which means I can leave the internship in May 2008 if I get the L-permit by the end of this month(Nov 2007). So I am thinking about staying in Zurich to work for another employer for a couple of months after May, before my L-permit is expired.

I am very likely to get a summer offer (June to August) from a bank (Also in Zurich) if this is possible and my current employer will most likely agree to write me a written statement if I want to do so. I will definitely leave Switzerland in late August. I am a non-EU from China and I am currently waiting for my L-permit (the first one ever) at home.

So my questions are:

1, Can I change my employer under the same L-permit since it won't expire until September 2008?

2. If Yes(to Q1) and I am required to submit a written agreement from my current employer, do I have to leave Switzerland to file the documents in? And how long does the whole process usually take?

3. If No(to Q1) and I still want to do another internship with the bank. Do I ask the bank to file in the application for a new permit while I am still in Zurich, or do I have to leave the country for them to file in the application? Can this one still be an L-permit?

4. Another possibility is to work for the bank on the side because I really want to gain as much experience as possible while in Zurich. Would that be possible?

Thank you in advance!
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Old 21.11.2007, 19:01
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

Just to make it clear:

You must think why haven't I got my L-Permit yet considering it's already November and my job is supposed to start in October 2007----I sent in my application in September 2007 and hopefully will get the L-permit soon...
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Old 21.11.2007, 19:14
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

Just another input:

I will be officially doing a "traineeship" with the telecom company till May 2008. And I am not necessarily looking into paid-experience. If nothing works out, can I stay in Zurich and voluntarily work for the bank from June till August 2008?
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Old 21.11.2007, 20:06
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So my questions are:

1, Can I change my employer under the same L-permit since it won't expire until September 2008?
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3. If No(to Q1) and I still want to do another internship with the bank. Do I ask the bank to file in the application for a new permit while I am still in Zurich, or do I have to leave the country for them to file in the application? Can this one still be an L-permit?
Yes, no, yes. The old employer would need to give you a good reference.

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4. Another possibility is to work for the bank on the side because I really want to gain as much experience as possible while in Zurich. Would that be possible?
What do you mean by "on the side" ? If you mean illegally then yes it's possible (as is robbing the bank) but the bank and yourself would be taking quite a risk .
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Old 21.11.2007, 20:20
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

I mean...to have a part-time job...so it's not allowed?
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Old 21.11.2007, 20:32
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I mean...to have a part-time job...so it's not allowed?
One permit, one job.
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Old 21.11.2007, 20:49
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

Thank you, Swissbob and Shorrick Mk2! I didn't expect to get replied so quickly

Now my question becomes: How long would it take for the new employer to get me a new L-permit?

I also heard from a friend who's also from China that she got rejected the second time when she applied for L, the reason being "one person is not allowed to get L twice"...The only difference between her case and mine is that she actually finished the first L(9 months) and applied for the second L for one year after she left Switzerland.
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Old 21.11.2007, 21:04
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Thank you, Swissbob and Shorrick Mk2! I didn't expect to get replied so quickly

Now my question becomes: How long would it take for the new employer to get me a new L-permit?
Well, you applied for yours in september, and still didn't get it. What does that tell you?

In addition, next year under the prescriptions of the new aliens' law, getting a permit will be even more difficult.
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Old 29.11.2007, 19:57
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

there no possibility to change companies under L, if your 1st job is L, then 2nd job has to obtain you a B, otherwise no chance.
and for chinese, sorry, are not welcomed here, i myself am chinese, i deeply felt this. the company needs to fight really hard for you to get you a B, so you think they will do that?
if you want to work ''on the side'', sorry lets be clear, no part time job is possible. so this is illegal, once unrevealed, you would never get a chance to come to switzerland, and your company will have to pay the fine. and they will get trouble to get other employees permit from the canton, so the answer is: they wont do it.
just dont understand why you dont try to get a permenant job instead of intern or short time.
there's another possibility to work ''on side'', you can open a company by yourself, and the bank can pay you under the name of ''consulting service fee'' as a client :P

well...honestly i dont see the good possibility, feel sad how we were treated here...even i myself need to go outside of switzerland since my L is expiry and B hasnt got any news yet.

hope china will grow faster, and soon those people will feel regret how ''nice'' we have been treated here.

cross fingers for us all
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Old 29.11.2007, 20:09
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there no possibility to change companies under L, if your 1st job is L, then 2nd job has to obtain you a B, otherwise no chance.
This is incorrect. While it's not particularly easy, it is not impossible either.

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and for chinese, sorry, are not welcomed here, i myself am chinese, i deeply felt this. the company needs to fight really hard for you to get you a B, so you think they will do that?
Well if they want you they will, but it is a sad fact that many HR departments opt for an easy life - it's up to your prospective manager to motivate them. As for Chinese workers not being welcome there is no evidence that I've seen of such a generalism. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I think you need to provide a source.

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there's another possibility to work ''on side'', you can open a company by yourself, and the bank can pay you under the name of ''consulting service fee'' as a client :P
Unfortunately not - a valid work permit would still be required.
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Old 30.11.2007, 00:10
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

I mean opening a company back in China...not in switzerland, I think its still possible, but if the bank only wants to pay you 1500fr a month, then please forget about it

the company always having a very good attitude in fact to chinese high tech labor, instead, its the government showing an opposite attitude, i have seen a lot of swiss company showing huge interest in hiring a good knowledgable asian resource.......but unfortunately they are not the person issuing you the permits
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Old 30.11.2007, 06:41
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I mean opening a company back in China...not in switzerland, I think its still possible, but if the bank only wants to pay you 1500fr a month, then please forget about it
You mean opening a company in China and offering services in Switzerland so that the "on the side" income can be achivived? A valid work permit would still be required.

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the company always having a very good attitude in fact to chinese high tech labor, instead, its the government showing an opposite attitude, i have seen a lot of swiss company showing huge interest in hiring a good knowledgable asian resource.......but unfortunately they are not the person issuing you the permits
I think you will find that citizens of Cihina are treated no differently to other non-EU citizens.
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

yes, but i mean Non-EU are treated differently from EU. no matter who is more productive...
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yes, but i mean Non-EU are treated differently from EU. no matter who is more productive...
Yes and that might have something to do with the proximity of the EU compared to other major economic powerhouses such as China and the USA or better said NAFTA, AFTA and China and the economic relationships with said associations/countries.
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Old 30.11.2007, 10:41
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Re: Switch Employer under L-Permit

Wow...I am glad that my thread has become a discussion of Economics!!
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