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Old 15.08.2016, 13:37
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

It's not complicated. If EU then shouldn't be a problem. If non-EU then you're stuck with the 8 month permit and that's it.
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It's not complicated. If EU then shouldn't be a problem. If non-EU then you're stuck with the 8 month permit and that's it.

Sure problem for Non EU citizens.It's not an issue for EU members to work and live in Europe.

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Really? Maybe you but there are hundreds of artists that are employed, in theaters, orchestras, music schools etc etc. So a lot depends on whether you can get a job with a work contract which could lead to a B permit.

And again, are you EU? If you are not, it will be very very difficult.
I'm a painter I don't work with contracts.If I was an employed artist my situation will be up to contracts etc.

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Old 15.08.2016, 13:56
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

Then your chances are very slim unless you have sufficient funds.

And as you do not answer the question whether you are EU or not? For non EU, as stated several times now, your most likely chance is to get an artists permit for 8 months, after which you have to leave the country.
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Old 15.08.2016, 13:58
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Sure problem for Non EU citizens.It's not an issue for EU members to work and live in Europe.
Again, can depend on your nationality. Croatians for example are still non-EU as far as the Swiss are concerned and subject to the non-EU hiring rules, though they have separate quotas for permits.

Why do you avoid answering the question - EU or not? If EU then it would simply be a case of setting up your own business here with a few clients and getting a self-employed permit. That isn't possible for a non-EU national.
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

Meloncollie I tried to quote your message but I couldn't, maybe a technical problem.Switzerland is not a mecca for art but lots of details to discover in the eye of an artist.Especially unique for it's demographic structure and other natural features.thank you for the information and link
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Old 15.08.2016, 14:09
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

As you refuse to answer the relevant question on your nationality, one last comment: YouŽd better get your permit sorted out pronto. If you are non EU you have an issue as you are here illegally, if you are EU and here longer than 3 months, you have a similar issue.

Worst case scenario you will be banned from entering Switzerland for a couple of years.
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If I was a EU I would not ask these questions isn't it?.And I don't understand why you're keeping asking my nationality?I have enough information about EU citizens rights.I am a painter and I can't set up a business in Switzerland,if I don't open a gallery or something like a commercial corporation.Art is not a business in some way.In most countries painters are free of taxation.painters are different than other artists.I just want to figure out how the "permit" issues work in switzerland.

Also I don't live in Switzerland I am planning to set up a life in Bern that's why I choose it.but I don't understand your reactions.

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Old 15.08.2016, 14:22
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

The question is relevant as the permit situation differs for EU/non EU but also for some EU and for some other non EU countries.
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The question is relevant as the permit situation differs for EU/non EU but also for some EU and for some other non EU countries.
I have all the information about Coratia,Romania etc..They are EU members but restricted rights.
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If I was a EU I would not ask these questions isn't it?.And I don't understand why you're keeping asking my nationality?I have enough information about EU citizens rights.I am a painter and I can't set up a business in Switzerland,if I don't open a gallery or something like a commercial corporation.Art is not a business in some way.In most countries painters are free of taxation.painters are different than other artists.I just want to figure out how the "permit" issues work in switzerland.
It works that you need a pre-approved employment contract with a Swiss employer, period. As you are an artist it will be for a maximum of 8 months, period. Can't make it any clearer. Forget the B, it will not happen.
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Old 15.08.2016, 21:36
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

Deniz,
There used to be more generous "artist permits". Unfortunately it was being abused. Lot's of "cabaret" artists with permits and thus it has become much more difficult to get permits other than the 8 month permit. They are still available. Though probably impossible to justify for a painter. They are set up for dancers/actors/musicians who are hired by troupes or theaters directly.

So unless you are famous or rich or both, you'll have a difficult time getting a B permit as a visual/fine artist as you really need an employer or you need to be able to support yourself with suitcases full of cash.

I believe France still has a more generous artist permit option. Thought I don't know the specifics. You might want to try that. There are parts of France near the border that look really very similar.

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Unfortuntely countries tend to use visa and permit to mean the same,
Countries rarely mix these up. Countries tend to know the difference between visas and permits as they are the ones issuing them.

People mix them up all the time. And the worst is when people use VISA to mean visa.... That is a huge pet peeve of mine. Worse than calling the country "Swiss".


PS, I'm going to guess Turkey.
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Old 17.08.2016, 14:25
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Re: Information on Artist Visa or "Artist Exception"?

Without getting to deep into my situation, I'll say that I had this artist permit as a non-EU, as did many of my friends and colleagues.

What most people do is to enroll in a bachelor's or master's program (in whatever subject - something that will give you free time to do your own work), which will give you 4-6 years to sort out your situation (get married, build some student job into a full time job, acquire an EU passport). After you finally graduate, you can get a work-seeker permit for recent Swiss graduates, which allows another 6 months, if you haven't sorted out your situation yet.

The artist's visa is not built for us freelancers. It was set up in the 1960s and is intended for traveling shows, circuses, musical theater, etc. Artists who are employed by a large organization and then move their activity on to the next country. It used to be possible to make the artist L work for us, but not anymore. Many of my friends were expelled from Switzerland, and thus from Europe.

Forget the B, be ready to pack up your life at a moment's notice, and accept that you'll have to work 100x as hard as any other expat just to get an L. Or check out the requirements for Germany - I've heard that it's easier for a non-EU to get residency there as a freelancer. Plus, after 5 years you can exchange your Turkish pass for a German one, then move to Switzerland as one of the chosen people.
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Meloncollie I tried to quote your message but I couldn't, maybe a technical problem.Switzerland is not a mecca for art but lots of details to discover in the eye of an artist.Especially unique for it's demographic structure and other natural features.thank you for the information and link
Hi Deniz, I wonder how are things progressing for you. Are you able to create and share art in Switzerland these days? All the best to you!
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