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Old 17.10.2012, 01:22
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explained this in detail to the Zurich border policeman, and had documents showing that I did leave Switzerland for a several day visit after three months and also showing exactly how long I had been in Switzerland.
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Understandable JBK. As minimia stated, the feds have the last decision. And it has been 90 in - 90 out for quite a while.

If I may suggest, request for a B or C residency permit. Once approved you may travel in and out as you wish. Only thing for consideration is the amount of time you spend in the US for US tax reasons.
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Old 17.10.2012, 03:24
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The fine is CHF 350, Jumping Captain. The sum is not the issue for me, it's the justness. I could certainly make life much easier and perhaps much less expensive for myself, by simply paying and agreeing, but I don't honestly feel that it is right. I'd rather not mention the exact local office and involve them in an internet discussion, but the canton is Vaud.
Not sure what you mean about justness - ignorance of the law is usually not an acceptable excuse anywhere, no matter where/who you get your info from.

Straight from the Federal Office for Migration's website, http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/dam/...grueezi-e.pdf:

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Foreign visitors who have entered Switzerland in compliance with the relevant regulations and are not taking up any form of em- ployment require no permit of sojourn if the duration of their stay does not exceed three months. Their stay must not exceed a total of three months within a period of six months.
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The fine is CHF 350, Jumping Captain. The sum is not the issue for me, it's the justness. I could certainly make life much easier and perhaps much less expensive for myself, by simply paying and agreeing, but I don't honestly feel that it is right. I'd rather not mention the exact local office and involve them in an internet discussion, but the canton is Vaud.
So pay tax here and stop whinging.
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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

The limit is 90 days in ANY 180 day period.

So for example, if you stay for 90 consecutive days you will have to leave (Europe not just Switzerland for non-EU) and then wait 90 days before you can come back again.

You are wrong, so best to forget about lawyers and pay the fine.
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Old 17.10.2012, 11:40
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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

Hey all,

For the folks that want to lynch the original poster, I'd just like to point out that no matter where you live, or what tax base you support, all of us use TONS of stuff everyday that was developed and paid for by American tax dollars. One simple example; GPS satellites are paid for and maintained by the US Air Force i.e. the tax payer.

I still pay taxes in the US, therefore should I be outraged whenever I see someone in Europe open up the GPS in their smart phone? I mean, I know it's not as quaint as listening to cowbells, but I think that it's a pretty neat service, that I pay for as an American, but you get to use for free.

It seems to me that the reaction that he got from a few people was over the top. All he asked for was a clarification on what the swiss law was in this matter, and what he got was a lot of bullying.
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Old 17.10.2012, 11:48
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It seems to me that the reaction that he got from a few people was over the top. All he asked for was a clarification on what the swiss law was in this matter, and what he got was a lot of bullying.
I don't see it like that... the OP wants (though only human) the best of both sides and to get away with something commonly known as illegal residence based on the grounds that "someone said so".
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I don't see it like that... the OP wants (though only human) the best of both sides and to get away with something commonly known as illegal residence based on the grounds that "someone said so".
JC
Perhaps you're right, maybe my opinion is clouded by the fact that I come from a place where illegal immigration is rampant, so the idea of splitting your time between two countries legally seems pretty fair to me, as long as you're paying taxes somewhere.
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The limit is 90 days in ANY 180 day period.

So for example, if you stay for 90 consecutive days you will have to leave (Europe not just Switzerland for non-EU) and then wait 90 days before you can come back again.

You are wrong, so best to forget about lawyers and pay the fine.
Just to be clear, you have to leave the Schengen zone, not Europe.
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Old 17.10.2012, 13:33
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... as long as you're paying taxes somewhere.
Easy

Get a residency permit here, live here and pay 100% taxes in both places, that will be the deal next year.
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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

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Hey all,

For the folks that want to lynch the original poster, I'd just like to point out that no matter where you live, or what tax base you support, all of us use TONS of stuff everyday that was developed and paid for by American tax dollars. One simple example; GPS satellites are paid for and maintained by the US Air Force i.e. the tax payer.
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Imo you have a point there. One can pay (in terms of frequencies, concessions, consumers' taxes or whatever) as much as one wants, without anybody developping and building up infrastructure it is all in vain.

Same stuff for the expats' taxes in Switzerland, which is not the same thing as a Swiss family contributing with effort and resources to the country for centuries. An expat's (btw. low) taxes and contributions for a short period of his life is not at that level at all.

However no problem with that (also because one cannot re-asset one's ancestors' resources towards Switzerland, of course).

Anyway no reason for expats to feel somehow better than others, that's the point.


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It seems to me that the reaction that he got from a few people was over the top. All he asked for was a clarification on what the swiss law was in this matter, and what he got was a lot of bullying.
Yes, astonishing also to me (OK, not everybody did it).
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Old 17.10.2012, 14:05
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Easy

Get a residency permit here, live here and pay 100% taxes in both places, that will be the deal next year.
JC
Out of curiosity, if you are not working in Switzerland - and just come to live, tour around, etc... (maybe retired) then what taxes would you be paying by getting a residency permit? I thought the only required thing to pay as a resident vs. a tourist would be health insurance?
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Out of curiosity, if you are not working in Switzerland - and just come to live, tour around, etc... (maybe retired) then what taxes would you be paying by getting a residency permit? I thought the only required thing to pay as a resident vs. a tourist would be health insurance?
Income based on local requirements, church, fire department (depending on where you live), etc.

If you play the planed long-term tourist role in Switzerland without temporary health insurance, then you are playing Russian roulette.
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Easy

Get a residency permit here, live here and pay 100% taxes in both places, that will be the deal next year.
JC
Might be difficult to 'pay' anything, as he likely find it difficult to have a bank account here , as well as some other hassles
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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

which countries can you go to for the other 90 days while you wait to return?
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which countries can you go to for the other 90 days while you wait to return?
Back to the US?
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which countries can you go to for the other 90 days while you wait to return?
Details and list of countries here
! Even supports the 90 in and 90 out fact.
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which countries can you go to for the other 90 days while you wait to return?
UK, Ireland, Russia.

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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

To everyone who answered: it is possible the OP was misinformed about the allowed limit. I too was led to believe by many "officials" in Germany in 2000 that I was allowed to stay for 6 months as a tourist. I asked literally every official I could think of from Zoll people at the airport, police officers, the gemeinde, etc. I got so many different and confusing answers until I was already over my stay and literally "screwed" by the Gemeinde. The woman at the Gemeinde told me to leave the country (EU) for 1 day and get my passport stamped. She told me that way I could stay a total of 6 months. The exactly same woman (a few months later) laughed at me and told me I am now living illegally in Germany. At the ripe young age of 20, that scared the crap out of me. My friends and I phoned every official we could think of to try and rectify the situation and even sent a letter to the airport zoll in hopes that would help. My friends were allowed to escort me past security up until the customs/security check. The man just smiled, looked at the cover of my passport and let me go. This is really not a situation I would wish upon anyone!
*note: This was the morning of Sept 11, 2001 ... crazy world we live in

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Re: Six Month Stay in Switzerland as a Tourist

Turkey ? Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and the Ukraine .. all quite cheap ...
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