Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01.11.2012, 22:00
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Wadenswil
Posts: 5
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Minzes75 has no particular reputation at present
Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

Hello Everyone,

I've read through multiple threads on here about this same topic, but haven't seen any real answers and I figured I'd post my situation and see if I could get some helpful feedback.

My girlfriend (resided with for 3+ years) has taken a permanent position in the Canton of Zurich. Since CH only offers so many B permits a year and her employment offer was later in the year, she received an L Permit. I am eagerly looking for employment over there as my background (Operations, Supply Chain Mgmt) transfers pretty well. However, I keep running into the same roadblock though...They don't want to hire without a permit.

I have read, and been told, that a person can apply for a residency, permit(B) in this case, with or without employment. My question is if it's realistic to expect to be granted a Residency B Permit in the Canton of Zurich without employment? Would it be more reasonable to expect one when she renews her L permit and it's changed over to a B? Does the time of year you apply for a permit make a difference?

Also, any stories of how you, or someone you know, as a Non-EU member got a job without a permit? Is hiring strictly through skype and phone interviews fairly common?

I look forward to reading and greatly appreciate any feedback you're able to provide. Thanks again!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01.11.2012, 22:13
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,541
Groaned at 424 Times in 327 Posts
Thanked 17,604 Times in 9,861 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

This is from the official www.ch.ch site:

"The Federal Council decided on 18 April 2012 to invoke the safeguard clause provided for in the Agreement between Switzerland and the EU on the free movement of persons, applying it to the EU-8 Member States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, and Hungary).
From 1 May 2012, category B residence permits granted to citizens of these countries will be subject to quotas. This measure is to remain in force for a year and applies to persons who come to live in Switzerland to become self-employed and to persons who possess an employment contract in Switzerland that is valid for a year or more."

I think this means any potential employer will need to prove that there is no Swiss or EU person who could do that job and then they may be granted a B permit for a non-EU person to take the job. I'm not sure that you could be able to get a B residence permit only as a non-EU citizen.

I wouldn't have thought that hiring via Skype or phone interviews was likely, but I could be wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02.11.2012, 13:16
Vlh22's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK, formerly Vaud
Posts: 1,319
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 1,983 Times in 642 Posts
Vlh22 has a reputation beyond reputeVlh22 has a reputation beyond reputeVlh22 has a reputation beyond reputeVlh22 has a reputation beyond reputeVlh22 has a reputation beyond reputeVlh22 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

Quote:
View Post

I have read, and been told, that a person can apply for a residency, permit(B) in this case, with or without employment. My question is if it's realistic to expect to be granted a Residency B Permit in the Canton of Zurich without employment? Would it be more reasonable to expect one when she renews her L permit and it's changed over to a B? Does the time of year you apply for a permit make a difference?
B permits without employment are granted to people who can prove they have sufficient financial means to support themselves here without working. It will specifically say on your permit that you are not entitled to work.

I know people (EU) who did this. They had to jump through a lot of hoops to prove their financial independence, and their permits stated clearly they were 'sans activité lucrative'. They were not allowed to work.

As far as I know, the idea of these permits is not for someone to apply for one and then use that to get a job. It's for people who want to move to Switzerland, generally to retire, and live off their savings and pensions, while still paying taxes and contributing to the Swiss system.

It doesn't sound like that's what you intend to do, so I think you're not going to get in that way.

On the other hand, on this threads I've noticed people often ask if you're intending to get married. I think that may well change the situation - for example if your girlfriend could support you financially, and you got married, you might be able to apply for a dependent B permit under family reunification. I know several non-EU couples who came over like that (one person working, the other not), and the 'dependant' half of the couple then found a job and their permit was changed.

Of course you would still be up against the problem of being a non-EU, which Medea outlines above. But at least you would be in the country.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03.11.2012, 00:54
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Wadenswil
Posts: 5
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Minzes75 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

Thank you Vlh22 and Medea for your information. The information about not being able to work even though you're financially stable is very helpful.

I have seen the marriage talk on here too, and it certainly is a viable option. How would that work if she's on a L permit? Even though her job is permanent and hopefully when she renews it'll be switched to a B permit. I was told that as a dependent spouse under an L permit, you were not permitted to work. Is that true?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03.11.2012, 09:54
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 153
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 187 Times in 38 Posts
suemck2 has earned the respect of manysuemck2 has earned the respect of manysuemck2 has earned the respect of many
Re: Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

Quote:
View Post
I was told that as a dependent spouse under an L permit, you were not permitted to work. Is that true?
True - When we first arrived my husband - who had a job and I (who did not) were both on L permits and I was not allowed to work and was unable to find a job in my field due to having an L permit- I am non-EU (United States). Even though he works for a large Swiss company in Zürich we found it very difficult to get upgraded/switched to B permits due to quotas in Kanton Zürich (eventually his company changed his work site to Kanton Aargau in order for us to get a B permit the next year).
Best of luck
Sue
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09.11.2012, 03:13
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Wadenswil
Posts: 5
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Minzes75 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Obtaining a B Permint -- Realistic?

Thank you for the information. That is unfortunate to hear that B permits are so hard to obtain in Zürich.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
is it realistic [to commute Geneva-Basel daily]? shakur Other/general 23 08.08.2011 22:40
Am I being realistic? CookieLT Housing in general 6 22.06.2010 10:50
Dependent L permint, living in Switzerland, working for a US company? alefsin Finance/banking/taxation 3 18.06.2010 18:12
Two Cars , is it realistic? River10 Transportation/driving 28 21.07.2009 15:35


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:24.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0