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Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B permi

Hello all, I am new to this forum and I need help for you guys regarding getting new work permit.
I am a PhD student in canton de vaud and presently I am having a residence B permit. but I am also employ in same university, basically I am a salary employed and every month I am getting salary for the work I am doing in Lab and doing my thesis as well. so, in this way I have residence as well as work B permit. in my permit my position is written as "Assistant Doctorant".
Now, the problem is I am not convince with my PhD work and wanted to quit my PhD and looking for a job in Swiss , I have already 3 Year work experience in my Home country with MNC (STM & Intel).
I have found a company in neuchatel (it is in different canton then my present canton) and they are ready to employ me but my present work B permit is associated with my present employer and if I quit my PhD I have to seek new contract or work permit to work in Swiss .
my new employer is hiring first time any NON EU citizen and does not have any idea how the process work . but he is ready to give me job .
what I can understand is he has to apply for my work permit and he has to write a motivation letter why he is hiring me and he also have to prove that there is no EU or Swiss citizen is eligible for the post or not available as of now .
can someone highlight what are the whole process to change job, whether it is possible to get work permit or how much time it will take .

what I am going to do now is I am waiting for official offer letter and once I will get it I will quit my PhD (although I have to give three month notice period and I present contract is valid till 31 march 08) and I will ask for joining date after 1 April 08, then I will sign this offer letter and return it to him and then he will apply for work permit for me in neuchetel canton. is it correct process?

although its a long mail but hope someone will read it fully and answer me .

thanks is advance for help.

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Now, the problem is I am not convince with my PhD work and wanted to quit my PhD and looking for a job in Swiss , I have already 3 Year work experience in my Home country with MNC (STM & Intel).


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what I can understand is he has to apply for my work permit and he has to write a motivation letter why he is hiring me and he also have to prove that there is no EU or Swiss citizen is eligible for the post or not available as of now .


That's pretty much it.

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whether it is possible to get work permit or how much time it will take .
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From next year onwards it will be a lot more difficult unless you have some very special qualifications.

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what I am going to do now is I am waiting for official offer letter and once I will get it I will quit my PhD (although I have to give three month notice period and I present contract is valid till 31 march 08) and I will ask for joining date after 1 April 08, then I will sign this offer letter and return it to him and then he will apply for work permit for me in neuchetel canton. is it correct process?


More or less. Since your permit has been issued for a special purpose more often than not changes of employer are refused.

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my new employer is hiring first time any NON EU citizen and does not have any idea how the process work . but he is ready to give me job .


Maybe your employer can move its behind and give a ten-minute call to the authorities?
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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

Thanks for your replay...

"Since your permit has been issued for a special purpose more often than not changes of employer are refused."

I did not understand this point, you mean to say since my permit is issue for a special purpose (for my PhD) and if I quit my PhD they won't consider my new application for work permit with different employer. there is a possibility that they can refuse it

I am an engineer, can I quit from PhD and finish all the legal formalities pay all the tax and go back to my country and again ask for new work permit with new employer?

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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

also my new employer in different canton from present one...
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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

I believe your PhD is a student permit.

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Thanks for your replay...

"Since your permit has been issued for a special purpose more often than not changes of employer are refused."

I did not understand this point, you mean to say since my permit is issue for a special purpose (for my PhD) and if I quit my PhD they won't consider my new application for work permit with different employer. there is a possibility that they can refuse it

I am an engineer, can I quit from PhD and finish all the legal formalities pay all the tax and go back to my country and again ask for new work permit with new employer?

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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

I am attaching copy of my B permit, since i am getting salary and paying tax also, so i think i am having Work permit and with this permit i am doing my PhD study.
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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

It sounds like your plan - the part where your employer applies for a work permit after you've quit your job - is an excellent way to get kicked out of the country if the permit isn't granted.

Like Shorrick already told you - the most sensible way forward is for your employer to consult the authorities for advice, rather than get advice from you second hand from an internet forum.

Remember your employer isn't risking getting himself kicked out of the country - you are. You might find that your motivation level is higher than his.

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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

Right, you may be working for your PhD and paying taxes but it is still tied to your docorate work and which most often times is issued as a student permit.

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I am attaching copy of my B permit, since i am getting salary and paying tax also, so i think i am having Work permit and with this permit i am doing my PhD study.
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I am attaching copy of my B permit, since i am getting salary and paying tax also, so i think i am having Work permit and with this permit i am doing my PhD study.
I think you are wrong. Your permit is of the limited stay variety which is a surefire way to tell that it's been delivered exclusively for that purpose (actually the PhD bit was enough, but nevermind).

It is not a pure student permit in that you can be employed full time; however it is restricted to serve the purpose it has been delivered for.

Unless you can justify a case of dire necessity, any application for a change in employer will therefore be treated as an ab-initio application, with all the implied bells and whistles.

Further, the fact that you've looked for a job without having even one year's worth of doctorate under your belt will have the authorities think that you tried to cheat them as to your real purposes when you applied for a student permit in the first place. That is not seen as a good thing.
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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

After going through all the reply its looks like there is a strong possibility that if I quit from PhD and apply for new work permit my application will get rejected.

also why I am quitting my PhD without even finishing one year is since EPFL is paying money for my PhD and if I don't want to continue it and quitting they (EPFL) might be in big loss monetarily as well as work point of view. their project is getting delayed and again they have to wait for next 6 month to get my replacement (as the B permit process is slow). so I don't want to delay more if I am not interested in PhD.

third point is since I have left my previous job and come here for PhD, so again I have to look for new job in my home country which is not easy.

if someone is ready to employ me in Swiss why can't I join that?

ok... now could you suggest me what is the best and legal way to process further... as I am ready to go back to my country if my work permit will get rejected...

can I do like this I quit from PhD and finish all the legal formalities pay all the tax and go back to my country and again ask for new work permit with new employer?

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Hey Kumar,

Just to answer a few questions and clarify a few points:

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After going through all the reply its looks like there is a strong possibility that if I quit from PhD and apply for new work permit my application will get rejected.
I think you are quite right on this point. Having a student permit won't help you get a work permit at all, and as Shorrick pointed out, it may hurt you. In any country, authorities frown upon people trying to use a student permit as a means of getting into the workforce by bypassing the normal routes. This might not be what you set out to do, but it sure looks like this is what you are doing.
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(EPFL) might be in big loss monetarily as well as work point of view. their project is getting delayed and again they have to wait for next 6 month to get my replacement (as the B permit process is slow).
Hate to burst your bubble, but one year's PhD salary is peanuts to EPFL. The only thing I think you should worry about is your supervisor and how you might be putting him or her out. EPFL admin will be quite indifferent to your situation. You should also seriously consider the fact that by severing ties with them you effectively will lose them forever as a potential reference, and will also spend the rest of your career labelled a PhD dropout. You should think very carfeully about whether or not you can handle living with this label before quitting your program. Depending on what you want to do in life, it could be very detrimental.

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if someone is ready to employ me in Swiss why can't I join that?
I think the question is why should you be allowed? Switzerland has laws in place to give preferential employment to it's own citizens and those from the EU. Unless your employer can genuinely demonstrate that there is no one in Switzerland/EU 15 with equivalent qualifications (which is a degree in engineering), it is highly unlikely you will ever be issued a permit. This is nothing against you, it's a general rule. Also, keep in mind that it is the canton who makes this decision, not the employer, and cantons are tough nuts to crack. So however much the company might want you, they will have a tough time getting permission from the canton for you to stay.

Believe me when I say that I understand what you're going through. Deciding whether or not to quit a PhD is a big decision. There are lots of things to take into account, including your long-term goals, your relationship with the supervisor, the feasibility of the project, etc. However, I also think that quitting a PhD based on what seems to be purely the hope of getting a job in a country where you don't have permission to work, when at the same time getting a job in your home country (which is probably the only place you are currently permitted to work), is, in your own words 'not easy', seems to me a most unwise decision. You have a high chance of being rejected for a Swiss work permit, meaning you will then have to return to your home country with no job, no PhD, and what sounds like a tough time finding employment.

Anywho, that's just my two cents. I hope you're able to come to a decision that makes you happy, whatever it ends up being.

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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

Hello all,

after a long time I am again opening this thread which I myself posted long time back... now the progress is I have left my PhD and everything is OK as far as my thesis supervisor or EPFL is concern... I will be staying in EPFL till end of this month... and will leave...
Now about my job... I have found an employer ready to take me on and willing to apply for a work permit from Zug canton from 1st of May... job is based on Baar near to Zug... he told me that it is easy to get a work permit from Zug? is it correct? (Now this employer have an experience how to hire a Non-EU person and has a special permission from Zug commune to hire any employee he want from any country... because he is investing big money in this canton and also its a big company in Swiss)
what is the possibility to get a new permit?

in the end if I won't get the permit I have to leave Swiss and go back to my home country without job... without PhD... and I have already set my mind to do so...
all the comments are welcome...
Have a nice day...
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Re: Help Need regarding getting a work permit for NON EU already having residence B p

Dear Kumar_ind,

I am a new Phd Student at the EPFL and I have decided I want to quit.

Since you have already gone through this process, could you please tell me how did you do it or where can I get the information on how to quit a PhD programm?

I will be forever thankful with you for your help.

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Dear Kumar_ind,

I am a new Phd Student at the EPFL and I have decided I want to quit.

Since you have already gone through this process, could you please tell me how did you do it or where can I get the information on how to quit a PhD programm?

I will be forever thankful with you for your help.

Best regards,

Susanita
You're probably right to quit - you just replied to a 4 year old thread and to someone who was last on line 28.04.2008. Not exactly Phd material .

The process is simple:

  • Quit
  • Go home
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Susanita, if you need to know how to quit your PhD program, you should contact the university you are part of.

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