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I am a British unemployed male wishing to relocate to Geneva to seek employment there. Can I transfer my job seekers allowance and housing benefits to Geneva when I arrive? How do I apply for residency and job seekers allowance and housing support generally if I arrive in Geneva or before leaving the U.K.? I would appreciate any advice and tips.
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Re: British male on Job Seekers Allowance in U.K. wishes to seek employment in Geneva

O dear, another one... to save this from slippiing off the front page into oblîvion...

Welcome to the Forum.

I honestly know nothing about Job Seekers Allowance and 'Housing Support' is not what you need if you plan to live in Geneva - it's housing.

I suggest you spend Boxing Day afternoon looking through ALL the relevant Threads (particularly the Stickies towards the top of most sections) to give yourself a first glimpse of what you're planning to get yourself into.

There are many helpful people on here but you'll have to do a bit of digging yourself to show willing. Check out official Sites (there are links to them) too.

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You might get an L permit ( 3-6 months validity and renewable ) owing to treaty rights to seek employment here. No support exists here for you other than your UK payments.

Geneva is very very expensive and lodging is very difficult to obtain. Rents are far higher than in the UK and demands always outstrips supply.

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Can I transfer my job seekers allowance and housing benefits to Geneva when I arrive?
Both if and when possible, alone will not be enough to sustain yourself here. See this post for a very simplified COL calculator.

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Once you get an L permit ( register yourself at the local parish office ) and once you have obtained an employment contract, convert it to a EU B permit. This is called residency.

Social welfare support if only applicable to locals and to EU nationals after they have exhausted their RAV ( unemployment benefits insurance payouts of 18 months ) up to the point their B permit expires, after which they must leave. This insurance is paid into when working here on a monthly basis.

As you are an intending person on social welfare in the UK without a job at present, it appears unlikely that CH will be suitable for you. Sorry to be the bearer of the hard reality.

How much do I need to live simply in Geneva?
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You might get an L permit ( 3-6 months validity and renewable ) owing to treaty rights to seek employment here. No support exists here for you other than your UK payments.

Geneva is very very expensive and lodging is very difficult to obtain. Rents are far higher than in the UK and demands always outstrips supply.



Both if and when possible, alone will not be enough to sustain yourself here. See this post for a very simplified COL calculator.



Once you get an L permit ( register yourself at the local parish office ) and once you have obtained an employment contract, convert it to a EU B permit. This is called residency.

Social welfare support if only applicable to locals and to EU nationals after they have exhausted their RAV ( unemployment benefits insurance payouts of 18 months ) up to the point their B permit expires, after which they must leave. This insurance is paid into when working here on a monthly basis.

As you are an intending person on social welfare in the UK without a job at present, it appears unlikely that CH will be suitable for you. Sorry to be the bearer of the hard reality.

How much do I need to live simply in Geneva?

Thank you readers for your feedback. From what I can gather, I would need to apply for a 3-6 months L Permit visa (which is renewable) to enable me to come to Geneva but I would not be entitled to job seekers allowance or housing benefits there when I come. However, would I be entitled to continue receiving my job seekers allowance and housing benefits from the U.K. which I can use to subsidise my living expenses in Geneva? Secondly, would I be able to pursue education in Geneva at Geneva citizens rate which is about 10% of the tuition fees that no residents pay? Finally, how easy or how difficult is it to rent accommodation? I am a single male so I will be looking for just one room. About how much will that cost? I also have some savings which i hope to subsidise my living expenses
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If you're asking if the UK will continue to pay you if you move here I doubt it - To keep getting JSA you’ll normally have to attend a Jobcentre Plus every 2 weeks to show how your job search is going. Nor would I think they would transfer your housing benefit. At least I hope the UK is not stupid enough to do so, but check with the Benefits Office to find out for sure. The Swiss with neither pay you nor house you as you haven't yet contributed anything to the Swiss economy - why should they.

What you need to do is apply for and get a job here first, then you can move once you have an employment contract in your hands. Try the following sites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk also sometimes has jobs advertised in Switzerland.

I don't know what area/s you work in, but unless you have the skills that international companies will want, you will find it difficult to get a job without speaking at least one of Switzerland's 4 official languages - and no, English is not one of them.
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Re: British male on Job Seekers Allowance in U.K. wishes to seek employment in Geneva

All about studies:

http://www.crus.ch/homenavigation/home.html?L=2

Fluent French is required for most programmes, although exceptions exist ( Tertiary cycle for example ).

You do not get reduced rates unless you have been a tax payer here.
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If you're asking if the UK will continue to pay you if you move here I doubt it - To keep getting JSA you’ll normally have to attend a Jobcentre Plus every 2 weeks to show how your job search is going. Nor would I think they would transfer your housing benefit. At least I hope the UK is not stupid enough to do so, but check with the Benefits Office to find out for sure. The Swiss with neither pay you nor house you as you haven't yet contributed anything to the Swiss economy - why should they.

What you need to do is apply for and get a job here first, then you can move once you have an employment contract in your hands. Try the following sites:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk also sometimes has jobs advertised in Switzerland.

I don't know what area/s you work in, but unless you have the skills that international companies will want, you will find it difficult to get a job without speaking at least one of Switzerland's 4 official languages - and no, English is not one of them.

Thank you very much for your guidance. I am pleasantly suprised that readers on this site seem to be very helpful. I speak fluent English and level 2 French i.e. a little above tourist/ beginners French. I am looking for a job in physical crude oil trading/ commodity trading in Geneva. I am an unemployed contracts lawyer in the U.K. which may come as a surprise but the universities and former polytechnics in the UK are producing so many lawyers each year so that more than 60% of qualified lawyers in the UK are unemployed and some go into other professions such as social workers, immigration advisers or prison workers. I wish to change career and go into crude oil trading operations. I have applied to various companies from the UK but have been unsuccessful so far. I get the feeling that one needs to be on the ground in Geneva to stand a chance. I also wish to do a relevant 1 year part-time diploma in Geneva which is on every Friday and Saturday so it may make more sense to be based in Geneva and search for a job during the week than to fly in once a week for the Friday and Saturday sessions.
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Now he tells us...

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Many are! Just watch out for them bad apples

As a newbie, try to avoid drip feeding. All the best in your endeavours.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Oil_spil...ml?cid=3068530

I thought most petrol companies were in Canton Zug for the tax reasons.

For housing, please read this:

FAQs - you SURE your question/problem/requirement is unique? Look here before asking

It has many good links like:

http://www.englishforum.ch/adverts-p...partments.html

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Thank you very much for your guidance. I am pleasantly suprised that readers on this site seem to be very helpful. I speak fluent English and level 2 French i.e. a little above tourist/ beginners French. I am looking for a job in physical crude oil trading/ commodity trading in Geneva. I am an unemployed contracts lawyer in the U.K. which may come as a surprise but the universities and former polytechnics in the UK are producing so many lawyers each year so that more than 60% of qualified lawyers in the UK are unemployed and some go into other professions such as social workers, immigration advisers or prison workers. I wish to change career and go into crude oil trading operations. I have applied to various companies from the UK but have been unsuccessful so far. I get the feeling that one needs to be on the ground in Geneva to stand a chance. I also wish to do a relevant 1 year part-time diploma in Geneva which is on every Friday and Saturday so it may make more sense to be based in Geneva and search for a job during the week than to fly in once a week for the Friday and Saturday sessions.
Well, I don't know what the market is like for crude oil trading here, but I think if you get to the interview stage, most companies would be willing to do the first interview either via phone or Skype possibly if you're not based in Switzerland. Or, if they have a base in the UK, they might be able to do the first interview there.

I think the main problem will be with trying to keep your JSA payments if you base yourself here. If you're doing the course for two days, need a day to fly to/from the UK to see the benefits people that only leaves 2 days to job hunt/interview. The Benefit Office might not see that as being enough effort, even if they agree to continue to pay you to job hunt in another country.
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You might like to consider living in France, next to Geneva. On a tight budget, Annemasse is a good choice. Public transport is good & cheap accomodation exists, altho' on the "no free lunch" principle, there will be good reasons why it is cheap.... Since France is in the EU, I guess that the unemployment benefits situation would be better/simpler, but I don't have the info to hand.
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Well, I don't know what the market is like for crude oil trading here, but I think if you get to the interview stage, most companies would be willing to do the first interview either via phone or Skype possibly if you're not based in Switzerland. Or, if they have a base in the UK, they might be able to do the first interview there.

I think the main problem will be with trying to keep your JSA payments if you base yourself here. If you're doing the course for two days, need a day to fly to/from the UK to see the benefits people that only leaves 2 days to job hunt/interview. The Benefit Office might not see that as being enough effort, even if they agree to continue to pay you to job hunt in another country.
I get what you are saying. I normally sign on on Mondays so I could either fly out to Geneva on Friday mornings (as the lectures start on Friday afternoons and end on Saturday morning) and return on Saturday evenings, then sign on fortnightly on Monday. I won't tell the UK benefits office that I am flying out to Geneva on Fridays instead of seeking work.

I also get what you say about conducting interviews by skype but so far I haven't received any positive feedback. It seems to depend very much on who you know so that if one is around in Geneva regularly, then one has a better chance of making the right contacts.

Another matter I was inquiring about was that of accommodation. Is it very difficult to find one room to rent if I wanted to stay in Geneva permanently. Roughly how much would it cost monthly to rent a room and where does one find these advertised?
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General accomodation questions (Not Ads) go under 'Housing in General' and there there is a little old Sticky which says

FAQs - you SURE your question/problem/requirement is unique? Look here before asking

There are a few sites to start you off in one of the threads in there. I think there are some specific to Geneva around too - I'll see if I can find them.
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General accomodation questions (Not Ads) go under 'Housing in General' and there there is a little old Sticky which says

FAQs - you SURE your question/problem/requirement is unique? Look here before asking

There are a few sites to start you off in one of the threads in there. I think there are some specific to Geneva around too - I'll see if I can find them.

Thanks a lot for your guidance matey!
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Now let's really cheer you up with this one

Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?




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Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?




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I get what you are saying. I normally sign on on Mondays so I could either fly out to Geneva on Friday mornings (as the lectures start on Friday afternoons and end on Saturday morning) and return on Saturday evenings, then sign on fortnightly on Monday. I won't tell the UK benefits office that I am flying out to Geneva on Fridays instead of seeking work.

I also get what you say about conducting interviews by skype but so far I haven't received any positive feedback. It seems to depend very much on who you know so that if one is around in Geneva regularly, then one has a better chance of making the right contacts.

Another matter I was inquiring about was that of accommodation. Is it very difficult to find one room to rent if I wanted to stay in Geneva permanently. Roughly how much would it cost monthly to rent a room and where does one find these advertised?
Well, I don't know what sort of proof you have to give the JobPlus Centres these days that you are actively seeking work, but you should do some job hunting in the UK as well, just in case they want to see letters (the Swiss certainly do to keep benefits being paid).

Try the following for housing:

www.immostreet.ch
www.immoscout24.ch
www.homegate.ch
www.home.ch

These sites have English although the property descriptions will be in French or German. Most places here are unfurnished, but you can find some with furniture included. Just use the filters to get down to a 1-bed place. Also try looking in the Market Place section here as someone might have a spare room to rent. A quick check on the Immostreet site shows a 2-room furnished apartment, i.e. living/dining & bedroom (kitchens/bathrooms aren't counted in descriptions) starting at CHF1,650 a month and going up from there.
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Well, I don't know what sort of proof you have to give the JobPlus Centres these days that you are actively seeking work, but you should do some job hunting in the UK as well, just in case they want to see letters (the Swiss certainly do to keep benefits being paid).

Try the following for housing:

www.immostreet.ch
www.immoscout24.ch
www.homegate.ch
www.home.ch

These sites have English although the property descriptions will be in French or German. Most places here are unfurnished, but you can find some with furniture included. Just use the filters to get down to a 1-bed place. Also try looking in the Market Place section here as someone might have a spare room to rent. A quick check on the Immostreet site shows a 2-room furnished apartment, i.e. living/dining & bedroom (kitchens/bathrooms aren't counted in descriptions) starting at CHF1,650 a month and going up from there.

Yes, one has to show the UK benefits office that one is continuing to seek work. That has never been a problem for me as I make my job applications on line wherever I may be physically and can always show them copies of these adverts.

The accommodation prices seem very high. I will be looking for just one room and so am considering renting a room somewhere in France across the border and then drive into Geneva just once a week for the course and stay overnight at a youth hostel or sleep in my car
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Yes, one has to show the UK benefits office that one is continuing to seek work. That has never been a problem for me as I make my job applications on line wherever I may be physically and can always show them copies of these adverts.

The accommodation prices seem very high. I will be looking for just one room and so am considering renting a room somewhere in France across the border and then drive into Geneva just once a week for the course and stay overnight at a youth hostel or sleep in my car
Is there much racism in Geneva?
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Yes, one has to show the UK benefits office that one is continuing to seek work. That has never been a problem for me as I make my job applications on line wherever I may be physically and can always show them copies of these adverts.

The accommodation prices seem very high. I will be looking for just one room and so am considering renting a room somewhere in France across the border and then drive into Geneva just once a week for the course and stay overnight at a youth hostel or sleep in my car
Careful with the visa if your living in France. Might make the L more difficult as you'd technically be a Frontalier.

Good luck with it Peter but honestly the price of everything in CH if you can manage to fly over, live here, do a course and then fly back on Jobseeker's Allowance the you deserve a Knighthood let alone a job!
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