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Issue about work permit

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few months ago I found a part time job with small company, during the interview they told me that I should work for few weeks and if both side were happy we would sign a contract. so I start working for them and after couple of weeks I asked them to sign a contract and applying for my work permit authorization.

they told me that they are quite busy (which they were and I could see that). on third week they told me that we could not hire you because I was non-eu citizen and the chance to getting work permit is almost impossible.

So I stop working for them and they gave me smth as a gift (to thank me for working for them).I did not complain anywhere bcz it would cause both side problem and in fact it was lose-lose situation and I was working to gain experience not earning money.but they accept that I write it in my C.V.

now, I found a full time job and company accept to apply for my work permit.


I do not want to hide this fact from my current employer but afraid if telling them , I will lose my job.On other hand if I hide it from them, and they will figure it out in the process of getting my work permit for sure I will be reject.

I have two questions:
First what should I do? Should I tell to my hiring manager?
Second, would the canton check to see if I had work permit for my part time job in the past or not?

As a matter of fact, my part time job was in canton Zurich and now I found a job in Geneva.

Thx for advice in advance
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Old 28.12.2012, 20:01
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Re: Issue about work permit

How is anyone going to find out you worked without a permit? You worked illegally, so there is no paperwork is there?

I don't approve at all, but the past is passed, and you can ignore and forget your previous illegal experience.
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How is anyone going to find out you worked without a permit? You worked illegally, so there is no paperwork is there?

I don't approve at all, but the past is passed, and you can ignore and forget your previous illegal experience.
No, There is no paperwork but I wrote it on my C.V. the thing if the work authorization would check as they saw I wrote work experience in Switzerland.

I did not want to work illegal (Even I did not get any salary bcz it could count as black money), it was about lack of knowledge from my side and company side. I had a paper from university which allow me to work 15 hrs per week and all other necessary docs but you have to apply before starting work and wait till they authorize and as a fact we did not know about that.
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Re: Issue about work permit

I would not mention it. You made a mistake (working illegally) - very stupid.

I doubt it would have any impact on your current employer. They will simply apply for a work permit...

Getting the proper work permit for a Non-EU if you aren't already resident in switzerland (eg. spouse) will take up to 3 months from lodgement of the papers...
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Re: Issue about work permit

That doesn't matter, because your previous company was right. It is almost impossible to get you a permit. As you are a non-EU citizen, there are very strict quota limits for people other than Swiss and EU nationals to live and work here and it costs companies a lot of time and money to prove that only a non-EU person is able to do that job. Unless you have specialist skills that a company can't find easily, you will not get or have a job. Any company would, I think, need to see your passport and it will instantly tell them you are not from an EU country.

As you have no permit, how did you enter Switzerland in the first place?
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That doesn't matter, because your previous company was right. It is almost impossible to get you a permit. As you are a non-EU citizen, there are very strict quota limits for people other than Swiss and EU nationals to live and work here and it costs companies a lot of time and money to prove that only a non-EU person is able to do that job. Unless you have specialist skills that a company can't find easily, you will not get or have a job. Any company would, I think, need to see your passport and it will instantly tell them you are not from an EU country.

As you have no permit, how did you enter Switzerland in the first place?
I am studying here. As you see I wrote "I had paper from university which allow me to work 15 hrs per week"
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Old 28.12.2012, 22:03
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Re: Issue about work permit

15 hours a week isn't the same as a full time job. Still, if your new company is happy to apply for a permit, I shouldn't worry about the lack in the previous job. Just wait until you get your permit and then enjoy your new job.
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Re: Issue about work permit

If you had a student permit then as you say, you are allowed to work part time, which is what you wrote your first job was, right? The only problem will be if you didn't set it up properly with the AVS, etc.

You will have to take it off your CV as the immigration people will ask to see your CV, unless you can justify it an unpaid internship or something. Personally, I would take it off.
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If you had a student permit then as you say, you are allowed to work part time, which is what you wrote your first job was, right? The only problem will be if you didn't set it up properly with the AVS, etc.

You will have to take it off your CV as the immigration people will ask to see your CV, unless you can justify it an unpaid internship or something. Personally, I would take it off.
I was allow but even in that case you have to apply before starting your job.

If I want to take it off (which I want to do) I need to tell my new employer bcz it is written in the C.V. which they have in their hand and would provide to immigration office that I was working.

My question is ,would immigrant office of one canton check for the work authorization of other canton?

I do not have AVS (social security number)
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Old 29.12.2012, 01:19
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I was allow but even in that case you have to apply before starting your job.

If I want to take it off (which I want to do) I need to tell my new employer bcz it is written in the C.V. which they have in their hand and would provide to immigration office that I was working.

My question is ,would immigrant office of one canton check for the work authorization of other canton?

I do not have AVS (social security number)
Then you need to tell them ASAP before they submit your CV. Yes, they will check and they will check with AVS first. If you have no AVS number the game is up.
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Then you need to tell them ASAP before they submit your CV. Yes, they will check and they will check with AVS first. If you have no AVS number the game is up.
Would not be possible to have it in my C.V.as a voluntary work?

Bcz calling company and telling to change C.V. because I did not had work permits is not really have good perspective.
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Would not be possible to have it in my C.V.as a voluntary work?

Bcz calling company and telling to change C.V. because I did not had work permits is not really have good perspective.
It does not matter of if you are paid or not for the work you did, which you were since you accepted a gift!!!

As I see it you have three options:

- lets things run as they are and see what happens

- explain the situation to your future employer and hope that they are willing to over look the issue and remove the entry from your CV and documents before they make the permit application, assuming they have not already submitted the paper work.

- reject the job offer and let the whole thing die and hope you hear no more about it.

If you are caught, as I understand it, the authorities would be within their rights to pull your current permit, deport you and bar you from re-entrying the Schengen area in the near future. Given the seriousness of the situation, perhaps it would be best to consult a lawyer rather than going forward on opinions from the internet.....

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Re: Issue about work permit

If I got it right, OP hadn't signed any contract, nor did employer 1 hand in any documentation to migration office or AVS.

If someone in any office feels disturbed by your 2 week non-paid experience as a student,

just deny you ever worked for that enterprise, that you were there for getting a closer insight of what you were interested in as a student "assisting" or job haunting simulation, it was never a real work and therefore not paid, enterprise did a favor, you had no paper signed, put in CV for showing off and that's it - if all other CV positions are +- OK i.e. justify high qualification permit application.


In the very unlike event somebody finds out what really happened (how? Through the forum? Boy, what for? OP did not act in mala fide and did not take away nobody's working position, i.e. no terrible terrible obnoxious crime and no harm done apart from being not paid), it should be rather the non-paying employer than OP to face consequences.


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Would not be possible to have it in my C.V.as a voluntary work?

Bcz calling company and telling to change C.V. because I did not had work permits is not really have good perspective.
Wait, I'm confused now. You didn't get paid, right? You worked for a couple of weeks part time, right?

If you can't actually get it off the resume, then I wouldn't worry about it too much. Pass it off as a student work experience. You have permission to work part time and you are a student so it's not unusual to work for free as an intern. Your only "crime" is not telling them before you started working.

I wouldn't worry about it just yet.
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Wait, I'm confused now. You didn't get paid, right? You worked for a couple of weeks part time, right?
Yes,I did not get any salary.
I was working 2 days per week for a month.
We had a plan that I would work them for first couple of weeks and then if both side were happy we would sign a contract so I would work part time during semester and in summer (my semester brake) I would work 100% and by the time I got graduate to sign a long term contract.
I worked for few weeks then since both side were happy we decided to sign a contract but then we realized that I was not suppose to work before obtaining authorization .and it would take long time (specially in Zurich to do the paper work) and as they were small company they were not able to do all this stuff and afraid it would cause them a problem.

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If you can't actually get it off the resume, then I wouldn't worry about it too much. Pass it off as a student work experience. You have permission to work part time and you are a student so it's not unusual to work for free as an intern. Your only "crime" is not telling them before you started working.

I wouldn't worry about it just yet.
I had all the document and condition:
-university authorize that it would not disturb my studies
-six months after entering Switzerland
insurance, registration,etc just it was taking long time and they would not put effort of time and money for such permission
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Re: Issue about work permit

As said other posters, just wait, cross your fingers and see what happens. Anything you do at this time, will only raise suspicion. Most likely you will be fine. If they ever ask you about it, just tell them that it was an unpaid part-time curricular training which allowed you to gain some practical experience in Switzerland.

After all, you didn't enter Switzerland illegally, you were authorized to come here as a student and were granted a residence permit.
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If I got it right, OP hadn't signed any contract, nor did employer 1 hand in any documentation to migration office or AVS.
The problem is that it is down as work experience on the resume he used to obtain the current job offer and which will be used by his perspective employer to justify the employment of non EU citizen.

Depending on the immigration officer, he could make a very big issue of it.

At this stage I don't see that the OP has much choice but keep his head down and hope for the best, if he wants the job...
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The problem is that it is down as work experience on the resume he used to obtain the current job offer and which will be used by his perspective employer to justify the employment of non EU citizen.
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It was not the brightest idea to put it in the CV there, I agree on that;

however, unless it wasn't a position as CEO of Novartis, I don't think that 2 weeks would qualify anybody as a high skilled resource for Switzerland.

They will look for other data on his CV.


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Depending on the immigration officer, he could make a very big issue of it.
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Well, the migration office might ask for an explanation,

however, I think it's obvious that it has been kind of an unpaid stage ...


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I had all the document and condition:
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However, I don't understand that. OP, you mean you were allowed to work 15 h per week and you stayed +- in? So where's the problem? That you didn't write "stage" on your CV? Who cares about that?



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...insurance, registration,etc just it was taking long time and they would not put effort of time and money for such permission
Don't tell them that.
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However, I don't understand that. OP, you mean you were allowed to work 15 h per week and you stayed +- in? So where's the problem? That you didn't write "stage" on your CV? Who cares about that?
I wrote on my C.V. it was an internship which I guess is the same in German as "stage".

In following webpage from canton Zurich it written the condition for obtaining part time job:

http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volksw...m_studium.html

As I mentioned it earlier I had all the necessary docs part "Provisions".except

A work permit is required for part-time jobs and holiday jobs.

Back to that time,when I called "Kanton Zürich Volkswirtschaftsdirektion Amt für Wirtschaft und Arbeit", the lady told me that employer should apply not employee.
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I wrote on my C.V. it was an internship which I guess is the same in German as "stage".
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Yeah, sorry, my fault. An internship is "stage" in French and Italian, "Praktikum" or whatever similar ("Schnupperwoche"?) in German.

Anyway good that you wrote it.


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In following webpage from canton Zurich it written the condition for obtaining part time job:

http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirtschaftsdirektion/awa/en/arbeitsbewilligungen/drittstaaten/praktikum_studium.html

As I mentioned it earlier I had all the necessary docs part "Provisions".except
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I don't get it. Did you have that 15-hours a week-remark in your permit or not (wouldn't have cost the employer anything but some 80 franks, I think)?

Until yesterday I thought your problem was about employer 1 that had no resources for a non-EU L or B-working permit documentation. Now I'm confused at it sounds your problem is/was that you have done an internship without the 15 hours entry in your student's permit (which would explain also why you have no AVS number. Being on student's 15 hours one would get one).
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