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Old 06.10.2006, 18:04
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Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

Hmmm, I was under the assumptiont that with a C permit you could leave the country for up to six months with no issues. However, prior to deregistering from my Gemeinde I re-read the conditions on the back it seems that if you move you need to change address (fine, makes sense) but

"Diese Niederlassungsbewilligung erlischt mit der Abmelden ins Ausland oder nach einem Auslandaufenthalt von mehr als sechs Monaten.."

Looks to me as if you deregister from the Gemeinde and say you're moving abroad even for a short time, the permit is invalidated. If you don't deregister but do go abroad for more than six months, it's also invalidated.

Confusingly it also says:

"Wird vor ein ablauf dieser sechs Monate ein Gesuch gestellt, so kann die Frist bus auf zwei Jahre verlaengert worden"

.. so if you want to spend more than six months away you can ask to have it held for up to two years. This is the bit that when I read it originally, suggested to me that up to six months would be no problem.

So: does that mean that you also have to ask the Gemeinde to hold it if you're going away for LESS than six months, or what? Maybe they assume that an absence of less than six months means that you're keeping your apartment/address so the bit about changing address abroad doesn't apply.


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Old 06.10.2006, 19:55
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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

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Hmmm, I was under the assumptiont that with a C permit you could leave the country for up to six months with no issues. However, prior to deregistering from my Gemeinde I re-read the conditions on the back it seems that if you move you need to change address (fine, makes sense) but

"Diese Niederlassungsbewilligung erlischt mit der Abmelden ins Ausland oder nach einem Auslandaufenthalt von mehr als sechs Monaten.."

Looks to me as if you deregister from the Gemeinde and say you're moving abroad even for a short time, the permit is invalidated. If you don't deregister but do go abroad for more than six months, it's also invalidated.

Confusingly it also says:

"Wird vor ein ablauf dieser sechs Monate ein Gesuch gestellt, so kann die Frist bus auf zwei Jahre verlaengert worden"

.. so if you want to spend more than six months away you can ask to have it held for up to two years. This is the bit that when I read it originally, suggested to me that up to six months would be no problem.

So: does that mean that you also have to ask the Gemeinde to hold it if you're going away for LESS than six months, or what? Maybe they assume that an absence of less than six months means that you're keeping your apartment/address so the bit about changing address abroad doesn't apply.
My (naturalized Swiss) husband says that you must tell them if you're leaving. You can make arrangements - with application and reason - to leave and keep your C permit. But you really, really need to talk to them at the gemeinde.

We had a friend who was going to do this, but eventually he just decided to chuck it all and go home. But we did look into it all so he'd have the facts, so the info is pretty current.
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Old 07.10.2006, 01:20
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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

Actually you have a double edged sword here. Yes you must tell them but if you don't then they need to find out which is far from easy IF you have an address here. If not then you can easily run into a problem. So the question you have is have you deregistered from your gemeinde? If so then where will you register and when - very officially there cannot be a gap of more than 7 days here.

If you go to your gemeinde and tell them you are going on a world cruise for 6 months they will say okay fine as long as they know...

So do you want to keep your C permit? IF yes talk to your Gemeinde it will save a lot of potential problems in the future... And yes then you can take up to 2 years out of CH without any hassle...

So Gav do yourself a favour and spend ten minutes telling them you are going to "find yourself" for the next 6 months picking fruit even if it is bullshit...
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Old 07.10.2006, 09:08
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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

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I had some experiences with swiss authorities, specifically swiss Police.

I have learned that, DO NOT tell them the whole truth, even if they know it sounds fishy. If you tell them the whole truth, they actually will go by the book and "penalise" you, even if you thought by being truthful counts for something.
NO they don't appreciate that!

But tell them some part of the truth, without making yourself a liar, and they usually will accept it.
However do not make things up.

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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

I didn't think we were actually discussing the police here. Anyway, that is dumb advice - unless you are a criminal, in which case you should say nothing unless your lawyer is present. (Now that's really dumb advice)...
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I had some experiences with swiss authorities, specifically swiss Police.

I have learned that, DO NOT tell them the whole truth, even if they know it sounds fishy. If you tell them the whole truth, they actually will go by the book and "penalise" you, even if you thought by being truthful counts for something.
NO they don't appreciate that!

But tell them some part of the truth, without making yourself a liar, and they usually will accept it.
However do not make things up.

Hope it helps.

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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

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Actually you have a double edged sword here. Yes you must tell them but if you don't then they need to find out which is far from easy IF you have an address here. If not then you can easily run into a problem. So the question you have is have you deregistered from your gemeinde? If so then where will you register and when - very officially there cannot be a gap of more than 7 days here.

If you go to your gemeinde and tell them you are going on a world cruise for 6 months they will say okay fine as long as they know...

So do you want to keep your C permit? IF yes talk to your Gemeinde it will save a lot of potential problems in the future... And yes then you can take up to 2 years out of CH without any hassle...

So Gav do yourself a favour and spend ten minutes telling them you are going to "find yourself" for the next 6 months picking fruit even if it is bullshit...
A mate has agreed that I can register at his place so I think I'll do that (keeping an address). I'll deregister tomorrow and see if I can re-register at the new place on the same day. Since I'm flying out on Tuesday it's either that or fly back within a week to re-register. Yet another lesson learned about making sure you do stuff well in advance......


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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

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A mate has agreed that I can register at his place so I think I'll do that (keeping an address). I'll deregister tomorrow and see if I can re-register at the new place on the same day. Since I'm flying out on Tuesday it's either that or fly back within a week to re-register. Yet another lesson learned about making sure you do stuff well in advance......
Gav you should consider that by doing this you'll effectively be pretending to live here. This means you'll still have to submit a tax return and pay the mandatory Swiss health insurance. Why not just follow Richard's advice and tell your Gemeinde (community office for those who don't speak German and have read this far without being provided with a translation...) that you'll be away for six months but would like to keep the permit?
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Re: Leaving for less than six months on a C permit

Up to 6 months one has to do nothing.
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