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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

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I have been waiting for a reply since my interview beginning October 2016 in ZH. No News yet. I guess you have to be more patient than that as you just had yours a month back

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I have been waiting for a reply since my interview beginning October 2016 in ZH. No News yet. I guess you have to be more patient than that as you just had yours a month back

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Yeah I expected it to take ages... then someone who'd gone through it in my gemeinde, told me they got it very fast after the interview and that made me impatient
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Yeah I expected it to take ages... then someone who'd gone through it in my gemeinde, told me they got it very fast after the interview and that made me impatient
It might be a good idea to tell the authorities you're impatient and to get a friggin' move on with your naturalization?
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

A little off topic, but I just went through the facilitated naturalization process. I live in the US, and my mother (who was a Swiss-US national) lost her citizenship when she married my American father. My overview will focus mostly on the interview when applying abroad, since I was having trouble finding a good amount of information on that.

So basically I've been trying to get this together for the past 8 years (my first contact with the consulate in Atlanta was in 2009 when I was 16, I'm now 24). Mostly due to life getting in the way (graduating high school, starting college, graduating from college, etc.), I've never managed to get all of the forms together in time until this most recent attempt.

So for the most recent attempt, I contacted the consulate in mid December requesting the most recent forms to apply. I was greeted with a friendly response that said my eligibility to apply has been already verified due to my 3 prior requests to apply, and they attached the paperwork per PDF for me to fill out.

It took me almost exactly 3 months to get all of the paperwork together and contact everybody in Switzerland (friends and relatives) to let them know I was about to submit the application. The document that took the longest was the FBI background check, which took 2.5 months.

Once everything was together in early March, I contacted the consulate to let them know I had everything together and was ready to schedule the interview. The promptly scheduled it for 2 weeks later in Atlanta.

I was super nervous about the interview. Growing up in the US, I didn't really know if my ties to Switzerland were close enough as far as the standards for the application go. However, there was absolutely nothing to be nervous about. Here's how my interview went from start to finish:

I fought my way through the hell on earth that is traffic in Atlanta and yet somehow managed to arrive at the consulate building 45 minutes early. I gathered my materials and headed on up to the consulate office.

I was greeted by a very friendly receptionist in the waiting area. I told her I was super early and I'm fine waiting. She informed me the consul conducting my interview (which is the same consul I had been communicating with by email) was not actually very busy at the moment and we could go ahead and do the interview. I of course obliged. She told me to wait in the waiting area a minute or two and the consul would come get me.

The consul came out to get me along with another consul who was visiting from the NYC consulate. They were both absolutely awesome and super super nice and easygoing. After she got me from the waiting room we started walking toward a conference room. On the way, she asked me what language I preferred the interview be in: English, high German, or Swiss German. She highly recommended high German or Swiss German as it would look better for my application. I'm not overly confident in my Swiss German (I can understand decently but I feel like my speaking is terrible), so I opted for high German, which we had been emailing in. I majored in German in college and spent a year studying in Germany, so my German is more than sufficient.

We sat down and initially she explained how the process would work. After that, she explained the interview would encompass 5 areas: politics, history, culture, geography, and current events.

Politics was easy for me as I also majored in political science with a focus on European politics. Basically all she was looking for the basic structure of Swiss government (executive, legislative, judicial), the three tiers of citizenship, and direct democracy.

After this we moved on to history. She informed me this was her favorite topic and that she would be "mean" with her questions (she was kidding of course). I hate history as a general rule so I was nervous about this section. However, it wasn't bad. She asked about the 3 original cantons, the date of the founding of the old confederacy, the date Switzerland was recognized as a state, what event in Swiss history was most impactful to me, and... honestly I think that was pretty much it. One question she asked that she told me she would not hold against me was where was Switzerland founded. I was ashamed to have forgotten the Rütli. However, she laughed and said my other responses were excellent and not to worry.

Culture and geography were kind of combined into one. She asked me to list the three regions of Switzerland, list as many Swiss foods as I know, what are some important Swiss hobbies (hiking, alpine sports/skiing were the answers I gave and she was satisfied with that), how many cantons there were, and what the capitals of a select number of cantons were. Luckily I knew the capitals of the cantons that she asked about.

Finally was current events. This I found actually a little disappointing, only because I studied so hard for this portion but it really was the least important section of the interview. She asked me to name three prominent Swiss figures from modern history. I said Christoph Blocher, Doris Leuthard, and Micheline Calmy-Rey. She said this was very good, as most people usually answer Albert Einstein and Tina Turner. (Like really???) Other than that she asked if I knew what sporting event was going on the week prior in Graubünden (which I didn't because I don't pay attention to sports). She said it was fine that I didn't know (turned out to be a skiing championship) and then asked me if I knew what happens yearly in Davos. Of course I answered the World Economic Forum, and that was the end of the interview.

She told me I would be receiving marks of excellent in my knowledge across all areas tested and I would also receive an excellent rating on my language skills, and that a language test was not needed. She told me from her end I would receive a very good report, and that with the completeness of my application (4 trips to Switzerland with 3 in past 10 years, 5 relatives listed in switzerland, 2 friends listed in Switzerland, 2 letters from Swiss living abroad, and a letter of confirmation from my Auslandschweizer Organisation), the decision should in the end (hopefully) be a positive one.

Regardless of the outcome of my application, she said I should be notified by the consulate when a final decision arrives from Bern, and that the process could take up to two years but likely 12-18 months. She did say however to check with them if I haven't heard anything in 12 months and then again at 18 months, just to make sure nothing has come in already.

Sorry for the lengthy post! I did want to make it complete however, just for the reference of others. Now I play the waiting game and find ways to pass the time for the next 12-24 months.
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

Hello everyone,

I wanted to update you on my process. The day before yesterday (June 6, 2017), I got an email from the Embassy saying to go in to sign a paper from Bern. I went in and signed a paper stating that I have not broken any laws since I submitted my application (which was 23 months ago).

I believe I read somewhere on this forum that others have been asked to do this and that it was one of the last stages in the process. If anyone can confirm, I would appreciate it.

On an another note, I applied together with my mom and sister, and neither of them received the email asking them to sign this paper. The vice consul said theirs would arrive separately, but my sister is understandably worried. Anyone else apply with other family members and end up with different timelines?

Thank you all. I am so excited to send you a message letting you know I have received my naturalization soon!

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I believe I read somewhere on this forum that others have been asked to do this and that it was one of the last stages in the process. If anyone can confirm, I would appreciate it.
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I received the same by surface mail.

I signed and returned it and received confirmation of my CH nationality from the confederation about 2 weeks later. The whole process took me just over 7 months, but then you must wait a further 2 months before applying for the PP and ID card.
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Thank you for this, I appreciate you letting me know. I'm getting really excited now! It's been a long wait, but well worth it. Will let everyone know what happens and when.
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

Can confirm. The consul who did my interview said that that may be a necessary step towards the end of processing the application. She told me actually having to sign it is usually a very good sign.
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Old 09.06.2017, 23:28
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Thank you, that's very reassuring. I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

SwissInfo has an interesting article about the new changes in the citizenship law, especially those of us who would be able to apply for facilitated naturalization for having a Swiss grandmother.

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http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/naturali...ship-/43211068
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

Thanks for sharing cgr,

What I find confusing is that when we applied two years ago, my sister wanted to apply for her adult children, but was told great-grandchildren are not eligible. This article says that they are under the current law.

The other confusing part is that swissinfo has another article https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becomin...tizen/29288376 that says only spouses of Swiss nationals who were Swiss before marriage are eligible for naturalization.

However, I know more than one person (people I know and on this forum) whose spouse was naturalized right after their own naturalization came though (and so were not Swiss before marriage).

If anyone has thoughts or experiences related to either if these issues, it would be great to hear them.
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The other confusing part is that swissinfo has another article https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becomin...tizen/29288376 that says only spouses of Swiss nationals who were Swiss before marriage are eligible for facilitated naturalization.

However, I know more than one person (people I know and on this forum) whose spouse was naturalized right after their own naturalization came though (and so were not Swiss before marriage).
You left out a very important word.

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You left out a very important word. facilitaded naturalization
As you can read in the backscroll of this thread, I became Swiss through facilitated naturalization, around 2008. Twelve years before that, in 1996, I married my wife. She also became Swiss through facilitated naturalization, around 2012.

So I can confirm, from my own experience:
  • My wife was eligible for facilitated naturalization through her husband (me), even though I was not Swiss when we married.
  • My wife didn't have to wait for six years of marriage with me after I became Swiss; she was immediately eligible for facilitated naturalization when I became Swiss, because we had already been married for six years when that happened.
I don't know if any of this has changed by now; it seems clear at least some of this will change in the near future.

I also find the current information going around very confusing.

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Old 16.06.2017, 20:18
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As you can read in the backscroll of this thread, I became Swiss through facilitated naturalization, around 2008. Twelve years before that, in 1996, I married my wife. She also became Swiss through facilitated naturalization, around 2012.

So I can confirm, from my own experience:
  • My wife was eligible for facilitated naturalization through her husband (me), even though I was not Swiss when we married.
  • My wife didn't have to wait for six years of marriage with me after I became Swiss; she was immediately eligible for facilitated naturalization when I became Swiss, because we had already been married for six years when that happened.
I don't know if any of this has changed by now; it seems clear at least some of this will change in the near future.

I also find the current information going around very confusing.

Cheers!
I think, in your case, your wife was eligible immediately because you're Swiss via ancestry. It's as if you were Swiss from birth, so therefore you were Swiss when you got married. Something like that.
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

Thanks so much for the great forum and useful information. My wife is currently in the process of applying for facilitate naturalization. So far the process has been consistent with other people's experiences on this forum. While she meets the criteria of having been in Switzerland 3 times in the last 10 years, none of these visits was for more than 5 nights. We have just received a letter asking us to confirm this is the case which leads me to believe the new laws are already being applied? Has anybody else had a similar experience? She appears to meet all of the other "criteria", our references have been contacted and responded accordingly, the interview went very well, and now we are waiting...application was submitted late last year. Any thoughts appreciated!
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Thanks for sharing cgr,

The other confusing part is that swissinfo has another article https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becomin...tizen/29288376 that says only spouses of Swiss nationals who were Swiss before marriage are eligible for naturalization.

However, I know more than one person (people I know and on this forum) whose spouse was naturalized right after their own naturalization came though (and so were not Swiss before marriage).

If anyone has thoughts or experiences related to either if these issues, it would be great to hear them.

I don't know if this will be helpful, but here is a link to the citizenship manual (in Italian...I haven't found it in French or German), that explains in detail about the current citizenship law.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...2-i.pdf#page29


Under section 2.4.2.2.10, "C) Caso particolare" it basically says that if you apply and are given citizenship via article 58a, your spouse can then apply for facilitated naturalization even if you weren't a Swiss citizen at the time of marriage. From what I understand, if you live abroad, your spouse can apply once you have citizenship if you have been married at least 6 years and your spouse can demonstrate close ties to Switzerland. (Your spouse must satisfy requirements of article 28 of the current law). This exception seems to be unique for those applying with Article 58a, but perhaps it also applies to anyone that qualifies for facilitated naturalization...not sure on that.

Unfortunately I don't know how the new law will change this, starting in 2018.

This manual also explains that in 2012 the courts ruled that it is no longer acceptable for you to apply for citizenship if only your great-grandmother had citizenship (and not your grandparents or parents).
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Re: Facilitated naturalization interview

I hope that this doesn't go against any etiquette rules about posting, but I came across another thread where someone recently had their facilitated naturalization interview at the Consulate in San Francisco. I thought it might be good to share here as well.

The post linked below lists the specific questions that were printed out by the consulate official and discussed during the interview:

https://www.englishforum.ch/2815905-post7.html

I had my interview about a year ago in San Francisco and had a similar experience. The consulate official presented a printed list of questions to test my knowledge about Switzerland. Perhaps this is something that other consulates currently do or will do in the future. If nothing else, it gives you an idea of what kind of questions may be asked and the level of knowledge they seem to expect if you live abroad and apply for facilitated naturalization.
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My memory getting fuzzy but I think it was about a month later that I got another form to sign yet again that we were still married, not planning to separate, etc. etc. Then another few months for the approval letter (that's the one that costs 750-ish Francs to pick up from the post office) and then another month after that it was final. Oh, and a few more weeks to get the passport appointment and a copy of the family book and stuff. You're nearly there!
So I got my provisional approval letter ..... however I'm now freaking out! Most people seem to have got the "final" approval letter 30 days to 5 weeks later. My letter was dated 46 days ago... and still nothing

Therefore obviously my anxiety has convinced me that there must be a problem and someone has "objected"

Somebody please calm me down. Also, does the final letter come as registered mail, or just a normal letter?
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So I got my provisional approval letter ..... however I'm now freaking out! Most people seem to have got the "final" approval letter 30 days to 5 weeks later. My letter was dated 46 days ago... and still nothing

Therefore obviously my anxiety has convinced me that there must be a problem and someone has "objected"

Somebody please calm me down. Also, does the final letter come as registered mail, or just a normal letter?
I just looked at my papers. The time for me between letters in Canton Bern was exactly 5 weeks. The second letter was a normal letter in the post. Rather boring and anti-climactic without any fireworks or cow bells ringing.

The first letter (the registered one) said "rund zwei monate" until it was final - so I think unless you're upwards of 8 weeks try not to panic too much. The reasons for objecting to a facilitated application are pretty limited, unlike for a regular application.

Keep in mind the naturalization applications this year are fast and furious as people try to get in before the law changes, and SEM has to process both facilitated and regular applications.

Congrats on the approval, you're nearly there!
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I just looked at my papers. The time for me between letters in Canton Bern was exactly 5 weeks. The second letter was a normal letter in the post. Rather boring and anti-climactic without any fireworks or cow bells ringing.

The first letter (the registered one) said "rund zwei monate" until it was final - so I think unless you're upwards of 8 weeks try not to panic too much. The reasons for objecting to a facilitated application are pretty limited, unlike for a regular application.

Keep in mind the naturalization applications this year are fast and furious as people try to get in before the law changes, and SEM has to process both facilitated and regular applications.

Congrats on the approval, you're nearly there!
Thank you!

I'll try and keep it together for a bit longer, patience is a virtue that I don't possess and anxiety something that I have in spades
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