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Nationalrat vote - no Swiss citizenship without C permit

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/21834044

"Einbürgerungswillige sollen nach dem Willen über eine Niederlassungsbewilligung (C-Ausweis) verfügen. Der Nationalrat hat sich mit 129 zu 59 Stimmen für diese Änderung des Bürgerrechtsgesetzes ausgesprochen."

Thoughts on this, and reduction of years in general before applying?
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Re: Nationalrat vote - no Swiss citizenship without C permit

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Re: Nationalrat vote - no Swiss citizenship without C permit

ok I will give it a shot...Hopefully this pretty much covers it but there could be a small margin of misunderstanding (feel free to correct if someone notes it)

As for pretty pictures, I am not feeling particularly creative today so will leave it up to someone else.
  • A vote went through that only C permit holders can become citizens (personally I already thought this was the case)
  • Planned reduction of residency requirements from 12 to 10 consecutive years to qualify
  • Changes in the rules which apply to children between ages of 10 and 12 (there was a credit applied to residence years)
  • Debate over "other cultures" including children, who are not integrated (read: the "undesirables")
  • There is support to permit citizenship to those who have lived and worked here, paid taxes, etc but are not criminals.
  • SVP made a provocative statement about how you hear on the radio that a Swiss committed a crime, but then you found out their roots were from elsewhere (sparking a debate on how Swiss is the average Swiss person, including Blocher, at the end of the day. Everyone comes from somewhere, basically. Read the reader comments -- they are quite interesting!)
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Re: Nationalrat vote - no Swiss citizenship without C permit

Does this apply to facilitated naturalisation, which you can appy for after 3 years & therefore would generally still be on a b permit??
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Does this apply to facilitated naturalisation, which you can appy for after 3 years & therefore would generally still be on a b permit??
I'm sorry, I'm not an expert on this topic...just wondering what others thought of it!
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tl;dr

summary required. preferably with pretty pictures.

We are clearly moving towards stricter conditions for obtaining Swiss nationality:

The main decisions so far are:

- The applicant must have a C permit and has resided in Switzerland (after being lawfully admitted) for at least 10 years of which 3 are during the 5 years immediately preceding the date of his or her application

- Language proficiency: Knowledge of a national language (oral + written). German in Zürich, French in Geneva, Italian in Tessin/Moesano, Romansch in Grischun (Val Müstair...)

- Requirement that the applicant integrates into the Swiss way of life as well as compliance with the Swiss rule of law and public order

- Young people will no longer benefit from facilitated path for citizenship. Years spent in Switzerland between the 10th and 20th years of age will no longer count twice


Also the SVP/UDC, FDP/PLR want to make it much harder for non EU spouses to become Swiss citizens.

The National Council is exhausted and hungry. The debate will resume at 3 pm.

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I'm sorry, I'm not an expert on this topic...just wondering what others thought of it!
Just make something up. Other people do on most threads.
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- The applicant must have a C permit for at least 10 years
Ummm, no.

10 years minimum total residence in CH, of which three are during the past 5 years.

And you must be in possession of a C permit as well.

From here.

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- The applicant must have a C permit for at least 10 years
I thought you had to be just resident for 10 years. so if i only get my C Permit after 8 years of living here i still need another 10 years in order to get the swiss pass?
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Just make something up. Other people do on most threads.

I would never
Anyway, as someone who is approaching the 10 year (total) mark, with C for nearly 4 years, I don't want the clock to start re-ticking!! I hope there is some grandfather clause in here...
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I thought you had to be just resident for 10 years. so if i only get my C Permit after 8 years of living here i still need another 10 years in order to get the swiss pass?
I hope this is not the case...
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Ummm, no.

10 years minimum total residence in CH, of which three are during the past 5 years.

And you must be in possession of a C permit as well.

From here.

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Ummm, no.

10 years minimum total residence in CH, of which three are during the past 5 years.

And you must be in possession of a C permit as well.

From here.

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Solo chi è in possesso di un permesso C di dimora potrà ottenere la naturalizzazione e ciò dopo 10 anni....Non soltanto i candidati dovranno aver vissuto almeno 10 anni in Svizzera, ma gli interessati dovranno aver trascorso nel nostro Paese almeno tre degli ultimi cinque anni precedenti la richiesta di cittadinanza.
Sorry I was wrong, Tom is right...
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Does this apply to facilitated naturalisation, which you can appy for after 3 years & therefore would generally still be on a b permit??
I thought facilitated application was only after 5 years, not 3...
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Re: Nationalrat vote - no Swiss citizenship without C permit

10 years and no nasty Swiss-bashing posts on the English Forum or you'll never get a red passport, even if you have been served poorly in a store.
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I thought facilitated application was only after 5 years, not 3...
I believe 5 years total living in Switzerland, including 3 years married. Myself for example has several years on L permits before marriage, so therefore I should be able to apply after 3 years marriage on a B.
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I believe 5 years total living in Switzerland, including 3 years married. Myself for example has several years on L permits before marriage, so therefore I should be able to apply after 3 years marriage on a B.
Well that is the case for non swiss married to a swiss. 5 years in total and 3 of those have to be married. Then you can apply for C permit or Citizenship directly. That is facilitated naturalisation. Federal level. Cantonal might be a bit different, on which I am not clear as I heard that Zurich now wants 6 years in total. How that affects and applies I have no clue.

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Well that is the case for non swiss married to a swiss. 5 years in total and 3 of those have to be married. Then you can apply for C permit or Citizenship directly. That is facilitated naturalisation. Federal level. Cantonal might be a bit different,
No, it's not different.

Facilitated is decided at the federal level, even though you get the Heimat of your spouse (which is usually NOT where you live).

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10 years and no nasty Swiss-bashing posts on the English Forum or you'll never get a red passport, even if you have been served poorly in a store.

No SVP/UDC bashing either unless you are Swiss. Thanks to campaigns against EU membership by AUNS/ASIN (a SVP/UDC affiliated think tank), Switzerland froze its EU application after the EEA agreement was rejected by Swiss voters. That was 20 years ago, "Black Sunday" as it was called by Alt-Bundesrat Delamuraz...
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No SVP/UDC bashing either unless you are Swiss. Thanks to campaigns against EU membership by AUNS/ASIN (a SVP/UDC affiliated think tank), Switzerland froze its EU application after the EEA agreement was rejected by Swiss voters. That was 20 years ago, "Black Sunday" as it was called by Alt-Bundesrat Delamuraz...
Délamuraz was wrong and so have countless of SP / Green / CVP Euro-huggers been ever since. I'd call it "Sensible Sunday".

Switzerland belongs in the EU like children playing with working combine harvesters in the dark.
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