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An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Hello all,

My partner is considering taking a job in Geneva and we are starting to do some research about the possible move from Canada. This forum has been a great information resource and we are hoping that you can help us with this query.

We are unclear on the rules on bringing our eleven year old Jack Russell that has a docked tail with us. We understand that tail docking is banned in Switzerland, but are there exceptions that can be made? We got her from a rescue society two years ago and are unbelievably attached to her. Not being able to bring her to Switzerland would be a deal breaker.

Has anybody on this forum had any experience with bringing a mature dog with a docked tail into Switzerland?

Thanks in advance!!!

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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Here is a link of information, unfortunately it's only in German.

It leads me to believe that if you have a letter from a vet in the canton you are going to live in say that it was not an "illegal" docking (happened in another country and not recent, etc) they might make an exception.

The 2 times we have brought our dog to Switz. (when we first brought her over and another when we went on vacation in Canada) the customs guys at the airport didn't question us, ask to see the dog or look at the paperwork.

http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/0161...x.html?lang=en

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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Hi Nick

Check out www.bvet.admin.ch

It says you can bring a dog with a docked tail if you relocate here. I think you have to just ensure it flys on the same plane as you do. Th reason I know is cause we had to bring 2 boston terriers over that have short tails not docked and I did some investigation as I thought they may perceive them as docked.

I would email them and confirm but I am sure it is fine.

I have the contact details of a Animal Travel in Zurich that does the clearing at customs and really helps. If you need these details I can get them for you.. just let me know.

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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

I believe the legislation is more geared towards certain breeds with docked tails and ears. If you have a friendly vet, get a quick letter stating accident or other problem needed tail docking, just in case. But I'd say they won't even bother checking the dog during transit.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Hi Nick,
We moved here with a 9 month old German Pointer with a docked tail and were also very worried. My boyfriend is swiss and had his mother do some research before we came. It is definitely not a problem to bring a docked-tail dog as long as you are moving here WITH the dog as your pet (it's designed to keep people from importing docked-tail dogs once they live here). So, you can't send her ahead, which you probably wouldn't do anyway. You just need to make sure that she has all of the regular veterinary papers (especially the rabies vaccination). Proving you are moving here is very easy, you'll have the visa from Switzerland.

Just to be sure, I can highly recommend what we did: have lots of paperwork. We had all of our vet records (any vet will be happy to photocopy them for you), the certificate of health, etc. in hand in case there were any problems. We also had the dog microchipped with the eurochip (which we had to mail order, I'm not sure what Canada uses)

But, they never even looked at the dog's tail! After all that worrying! They also never looked at the paperwork!

One thing I can definitely recommend is taking your dog in the cabin if at all possible. And, remember not to fly through England!
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

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I believe the legislation is more geared towards certain breeds with docked tails and ears. If you have a friendly vet, get a quick letter stating accident or other problem needed tail docking, just in case. But I'd say they won't even bother checking the dog during transit.
No. It's about ALL breeds. They are against the practice in principle.

But there is no need to lie. If you are relocating to Switzerland you can bring a dock dog as long as you owned it prior to moving here. (Ie. It is your pet & you are not buying a new dog & importing it in.)
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Thanks for the quick responses! The above information is great. Unfortunately, it conflicts with what the Swiss consulate told us...

Andrea, my partner, was just in contact with the Swiss consulate in Ottawa and the representative she spoke to said under no circumstances can you bring a dog with a docked tail if you are going to reside in Switzerland.

So now we're not sure what to do.
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Thanks for the quick responses! The above information is great. Unfortunately, it conflicts with what the Swiss consulate told us...

Andrea, my partner, was just in contact with the Swiss consulate in Ottawa and the representative she spoke to said under no circumstances can you bring a dog with a docked tail if you are going to reside in Switzerland.

So now we're not sure what to do.
Ignore her! The consulates never know what they are talking about!
I'm have a look for the regs & get back to you.
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Ignore her! The consulates never know what they are talking about!
I'm have a look for the regs & get back to you.
I agree, we were severely misinformed at the Swiss consulate in Montreal on numerous subjects.

You are best to call the proper people here in Switzerland rather than in Canada.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

http://www.englishforum.ch/other-gen...html#post52991

Check out this thread. Carmen has outlined the requirements and provides good links.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

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Thanks for the quick responses! The above information is great. Unfortunately, it conflicts with what the Swiss consulate told us...
Just one more voice telling you that the consulate is wrong, as others have pointed out. Switzerland is a letter of the law country and you may rely upon the actual legislation to prevail in such matters. Just make sure that your dog accompanies you when you move to Switzerland & that you have documentation that you did not acquire the pet or do the docking recently.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Animal Protection Ordinance 8 Animal Protection Ordinance (TSchV) Amendment of June 27, 2001
The Federal Council, resolves:
The Animal Protection Ordinance of May 17, 19811 will be amended as follows: Chapter 9: Prohibited Practices
Article 66 (extract)
a. strike animals in the eyes or genitals, or to break or crush their tails;
h. dock dogs' tails or crop dogs' ears as well as to operatively produce semi-pricked ears in dogs;
i. promote, sell or exhibit dogs with cropped ears and docked tails if such were achieved under violation of the Swiss Regulations on animal welfare or if the dogs were imported under violation of the Swiss Regulations on animal welfare;
http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/tier...x.html?lang=en
Federal Department of Economic Affairs FDEA - Federal veterinary office FVO Intenational affairs
Doc. 07/09-2 Import of dogs – cats – ferrets from third countries 1/3
Version Feb. 26th, 2007 (effective for imports from July 1st 2007 onwards)
Note: It is forbidden to import dogs with docked ears and/or cropped tail. The only exceptions are dogs of owners who live abroad and come for holidays or short stays in Switzerland or relocate to this country. The latter applies only to those animals which have already been kept by the relocating person for a long time before moving to Switzerland, and they must in principle be imported at the same time as the person relocating. Please enquire with the relevant customs authorities in good time BEFORE importing such a dog as to the precise formalities and whether the criteria regarding holidays or relocation apply in your case. Some information on animals in the case of relocation can also be found at www.zoll.admin.ch => Zollinformationen Private => Umzug, Heirat, Erbschaft (not available in English). If these criteria are not met, dogs with docked ears and/or tails will be turned back at the border.
Dossiers on the evaluation of “animals amputated for medical reasons” must be submitted to the FVO BEFORE the animals are imported. Without extensive documentation providing clear evidence (incl. official confirmations) medical reasons cannot be recognized. http://www.bvet.admin.ch/index.html?lang=en
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

In trying to help the OP, I also found conflicting reports as to the subject, so I emailed BVET:

Here is the reply:

It is possible to take a dog with cropped tail/docked ears as "relocation goods" to Switzerland. It is in the competence of customs. Please contact them directly http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_privat/index.html?lang=en .
For entering Switzerland, the dog needs a microchip (microchips with ISO-codes 11784 and 11785 can be read at swiss borders. If your dog has another one, take a reader with you or let implant another one), a valid vaccination against rabies and a veterinarian certificate (see attachment). All informations are published on our homepage http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/01614/01884/01889/index.html?lang=en .




I have also written an email to the customs office. I'll let you know if/when I get an answer.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

I just moved here with my dog (with cropped tail) and the fine print is that you can bring the dog, as long as you can show that the dog is a long time pet. So if you have vet receipts, records showing vaccinations over the years, etc you will be fine. The dog must be microchipped with the correct type - be careful of this as many vets in the US use a different type - not sure about Canada.

After all my worry, they didn't even look in her kennel on arrival! Good luck!
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Thanks for all your help! Sherrie Russell, Andrea and I sincerely appreciate it!
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Hi there! Just wanted to let you know my husband and I just moved to Geneva two weeks ago from New York with our cocker spaniel, who has a docked tail. We had no issues whatsoever. No one even looked twice, though I was prepared to argue for him to be "grandfathered" into the country since he is 8 years old. My second concern was that if our cocker did make it into Switzerland, would Swiss people and dogs look at him funny or think we were cruel? Not at all the case, in fact. I see plenty of dogs here every day with docked tails or cropped ears. The other dog owners in our neighborhood are extremely friendly and always up for a chat, and no one has even asked me about it. Good luck - I'm confident you won't have any issues!
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Hello all! Just a follow up to our query above from NickyBoy regarding our 11 year old Jack Russell. My permit is nearly ready and then I have to get the appropriate stamp or authorization in our passports. When I mentioned to the official at the Consulate in Vancouver that we were bringing our dog, he immediately asked me if she had a docked tail or ears. Of course I said NO, since I know the rules, but I did say, "I thought that you could still bring them if you had paperwork indicating the docking happened a long time ago??". He said that wasn't the case, that no dogs with docked tails or cropped ears are allowed into Switzerland. Has anyone had any problems lately?? If there WAS a problem, could we live just over the border in France if we really had to?? Also, I think we are going to fly the dog into Frankfurt and drive into Geneva - would we have to stop at the border with her (even though we would have gone through the authorities with her at the airport in Frankfurt?) I do know that we will have to register her with local authorities within 10 days of her arrival... any problems with Vets and animals with docked tails?? We are VERY concerned she'll get turned away and there's literally NO WAY we would ever give her up....

thank you in advance for all of your assistance!
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Hello all! Just a follow up to our query above from NickyBoy regarding our 11 year old Jack Russell. My permit is nearly ready and then I have to get the appropriate stamp or authorization in our passports. When I mentioned to the official at the Consulate in Vancouver that we were bringing our dog, he immediately asked me if she had a docked tail or ears. Of course I said NO, since I know the rules, but I did say, "I thought that you could still bring them if you had paperwork indicating the docking happened a long time ago??". He said that wasn't the case, that no dogs with docked tails or cropped ears are allowed into Switzerland. Has anyone had any problems lately?? If there WAS a problem, could we live just over the border in France if we really had to?? Also, I think we are going to fly the dog into Frankfurt and drive into Geneva - would we have to stop at the border with her (even though we would have gone through the authorities with her at the airport in Frankfurt?) I do know that we will have to register her with local authorities within 10 days of her arrival... any problems with Vets and animals with docked tails?? We are VERY concerned she'll get turned away and there's literally NO WAY we would ever give her up....

thank you in advance for all of your assistance!
Hi Sherrie Says,

Don't worry about the Consulate-they are absolutely wrong. We were very worried about the crop-tail rule for our dog. My boyfriend is Swiss and speaks German, so he looked up the rules and also had his mother call the Swiss Veterinary Service (FVO) to ask them. So, we've heard and read the original rules in German. They clearly state that dogs with cropped tails are absolutely allowed IF you are moving to Switzerland and are bringing the dog with you. What you are not allowed to do is import cropped tail (or cropped ear) dogs once you are living here. This law is designed to prevent the import of fighting and show dogs, though it is NOT breed-specific.

I would not recommend driving from Frankfurt to Geneva in order to avoid customs. First, you won't avoid customs. In fact, you will need to satisfy the import rules for BOTH Germany (EU) AND Switzerland, whereas if you fly into Switzerland, there's only one country's rules to follow. The rules should be similar, but I don't know what the EU rules state in detail.

Either way, at the airport or the border, you will have to go through Swiss customs. You must present a copy of your household goods, including your pets, upon your arrival. Even if you don't travel with your pets, they must be listed in your household goods, so there's no way to hide that fact that you have a dog. If you choose to drive through a border, you should call ahead and make sure the customs office is open when you cross. This is also true at the airport, but they have more flexible hours than at border controls. Also, obviously the airports deal with this type of customs situation much more often than border controls, so is likely to go more smoothly in general.

You must also present up-to-date rabies shots, etc, and prove you're moving to Switzerland (the three month visa that they put into your passport is sufficient for this-you do not need your Auslanderausweis/permit). You must also register your dog in Switzerland once you arrive. Any vet will do this. They also don't care about the cropped tail, since you're moving with your dog.

In short, you will not have to give up your dog, as long as you have rabies vaccinations, proof that your dog matches the vet records (get the dog chipped!), and proof that you are moving to Switzerland. Since you'll have all three, you have nothing to worry about!


Finally, you'll find that Swiss customs is very friendly compared to US customs. As long as you are organized, they will help you and nobody is interested in taking pets away.
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Re: An 11 year old Jack Russell moving to Switzerland with a docked tail?

Sherrie - you'll be fine - just be sure to have all your paperwork in hand when you get to the customs area. I went through very quickly and easily when I came in - they didn't even get my dog out of her crate - but another woman coming in at the same time was searching through her bag for each piece of paper they asked for, and the customs agents were getting a little cranky. Have everything all together, be ready to pay (about 80CHF I think, and they take VISA etc) and you'll be fine.

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