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Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit application

My company is applying for a B permit for me. Once accepted, will the Swiss government tell my home government (UK) that I am now a permanent resident of their country or do they not really care about such things? Does anyone know?

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Old 19.05.2013, 13:07
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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

No they won't be telling HM government you are here.

But, establishing that you are no longer domiciled in Britain is long winded, and the rules might soon be changing. I would recommend sending your last tax office a photo copy of your permit and UK passport, and explain that you have definitely left the UK on that set date. This is only relevant if you have no property or partnerships in UK, ie you have broken all financial ties.
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No they won't be telling HM government you are here.

But, establishing that you are no longer domiciled in Britain is long winded, and the rules might soon be changing. I would recommend sending your last tax office a photo copy of your permit and UK passport, and explain that you have definitely left the UK on that set date. This is only relevant if you have no property or partnerships in UK, ie you have broken all financial ties.
Gotcha. I'll call the HMRC tomorrow and see what they would need. I intend on keeping my bank account and credit cards. I presume that this is fine and still considered like I have totally left? (will not be earning money from the UK)

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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

The Swissies tell the UK nothing.

If you want to get any overpaid UK tax back and to avoid any issues in the future, complete the HMRC P85 form. It's not compulsory though.
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The Swissies tell the UK nothing.

If you want to get any overpaid UK tax back and to avoid any issues in the future, complete the HMRC P85 form. It's not compulsory though.
Thank you. Really appreciated.
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The Swissies tell the UK nothing.

If you want to get any overpaid UK tax back and to avoid any issues in the future, complete the HMRC P85 form. It's not compulsory though.
Quick question, if it's not compulsory, how do they know you've left? Or don't they care so much?

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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

Your bank may not be happy if you're not resident. Check with them. I was with the Abbey National, and they insisted I close my account. I kept the one I had (and still have) with First Direct.

I filled in a P85, so that I could be treated as non-resident from the day I left the UK, and whatever form it is so that I receive interest on my UK bank account without deduction.

The UK tax system is based on self-assessment. It's up to you to decide if you're non-resident... and fight HMRC is they decide you got it wrong. However, from when I left, I received on bill for outstanding tax that they were collecting through my tax code, and never heard anything from them again. Which was nice.

Informing HMRC that you've left is more likely to benefit you than keeping quiet.
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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

My bank doesn't seem to mind that I'm not resident. I suppose in the course of the last 40 years they have found out...
That's where my British Pension goes so that I can buy goodies when I get there without changing currencies and I still pay the odd thing by cheque out of that account too.

I don't think UK worries too much about folk leaving. Other way round is a different story. When we went to England to live for a while, Mr L. had a letter already waiting for him when we arrived at our new address to say he must go to the Embassy in London and register so that the Army could keep close tabs on him. And the Swiss were quite upset that we hadn't been to the Embassy in London to 'de-register' when we came back.
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Your bank may not be happy if you're not resident. Check with them. I was with the Abbey National, and they insisted I close my account. I kept the one I had (and still have) with First Direct.

I filled in a P85, so that I could be treated as non-resident from the day I left the UK, and whatever form it is so that I receive interest on my UK bank account without deduction.

The UK tax system is based on self-assessment. It's up to you to decide if you're non-resident... and fight HMRC is they decide you got it wrong. However, from when I left, I received on bill for outstanding tax that they were collecting through my tax code, and never heard anything from them again. Which was nice.

Informing HMRC that you've left is more likely to benefit you than keeping quiet.
Thank you very much. I have my main bank account with First Direct too. I need it because I owe a First Direct credit card money. So if they want to get paid, it would help.

When you submitted the P85, did you need to give HMRC a copy of your contract or did the UK need to contact your Swiss employer? I will be the first person from the UK hired by my company, so I thought I should let them know if they need to submit something to the HMRC.
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Gotcha. I'll call the HMRC tomorrow and see what they would need. I intend on keeping my bank account and credit cards. I presume that this is fine and still considered like I have totally left? (will not be earning money from the UK)

Thanks.
The normal rule applied by HMRC was what is known as the 183 day rule, meaning that if you were living abroad for at least 183 days in anyone tax year you will be considered to be non resident. However as of the 06.04.2013, HMRC can use other criteria to conclude that you are still resident - continuing to operate bank accounts/credit cards and paying regular visits to the UK might put you into that category... My own expectation is that the 183 day rule will continue to be applied in most cases.

Just wanted to give you some background, since you said you intend to have a 'conversation' with them.
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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

Your new employer does nothing.

You send the HMRC a printed version (or online, I suppose, I don't remember) of the P85. You answer questions; that's it. You don't send any proof.

Once you arrive in Switzerland you have around a week to go to the canton/gemeinde offices with a copy of your Swiss employment contract, showing it's a permanent job, and they give you a B permit (eventually, by post, whilst charging you money).
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Re: Swiss government communicating with your home country following a permit applicat

I think there is a bit of confusion between domicile and residence here - keeping UK credit cards and making occasional visits will in no way risk you as being considered resident as long as you keep below the time limit, especially if you have a Swiss residence permit and pay taxes here.

Giving up domicile is when you have to break all ties but that is most important when you are actually resident in the UK rather than when abroad. Very few ex-pats give up domicile as it is virtually impossible to do (unless you are Lord Ashcroft)
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