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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Thanks for the tip for Geschäftsbericht!

Geschäftsbericht 2019 for Zürich Stadt:
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content...richt_2019.pdf

For 2019 Einbürgerungsgesuchs (for foreigner born outside Switzerland): 2221 approved and 7 denied
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Thanks for the tip for Geschäftsbericht!

Geschäftsbericht 2019 for Zürich Stadt:
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content...richt_2019.pdf

For 2019 Einbürgerungsgesuchs (for foreigner born outside Switzerland): 2221 approved and 7 denied
Interesting, seems like you have a good shot in the City of Zurich, fills me with a bit more confidence. I wonder what the 7 denied did!!
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I wonder what the 7 denied did!!
Look like statistical noise (0.5%), could be anything from faking German knowledge certs and not being able to communicate at all, to saying in the declaration form that they don't believe in equality between women and men.

When I bought one hour of a preparation for the Grundkentnistest, the teacher told me that my German is "not bad" and better than that of a couple of other folks from Zurich, to whom he had to explain things in English. So...... I wonder if the language itself is a problem to get naturalized in Zurich, once you pass KDE?
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The responsible cantonal department for Zurich is here (German)

https://www.zh.ch/de/direktion-der-j...ml#-1864346150

It seems the department head is a vacant position, and nobody is responsible for M or W (which affects me )

UPDATE: This webpage has been updated: department head is still a vacant position, but there is now an additional FTE processing normal applications.
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Is it better/faster to apply in communes rather than a city like Lausanne? Hearing a lot of Zurich just wanted to know how it is in Vaud
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*8.4.6 The Federal government will usually issue a "citizenship permit" within 8 months of receiving the documents from the Kanton, and that once returned to the Canton, they will need to decide within 12 months. Time limits for other processing steps are not mentioned.
I was told at the end of the interview - Mid Feb, Zürich - that the outstanding process would probably be complete by Jan - a very slow conveyor belt - patience!
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We are in the middle of this process in Canton ZH... our timeline so far:
Feb 20 2020 - Submit application to Canton
Apr 09 2020 - Application sent by Canton to Gemeinde
Apr 21 2020 - Invoice from Gemeinde
Jun 09 2020 - Interview with Gemeinderat
Jun 19 2020 - Approval from Gemeinde
Jun 24 2020 - Our names got posted in the local paper (public has 30 days to file a complain)
Aug 06 2020 - Application received by Canton back from Gemeinde
Sep 22 2020 - Invoice from Canton
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We are in the middle of this process in Canton ZH... our timeline so far:
Feb 20 2020 - Submit application to Canton
Apr 09 2020 - Application sent by Canton to Gemeinde
Apr 21 2020 - Invoice from Gemeinde
Jun 09 2020 - Interview with Gemeinderat
Jun 19 2020 - Approval from Gemeinde
Jun 24 2020 - Our names got posted in the local paper (public has 30 days to file a complain)
Aug 06 2020 - Application received by Canton back from Gemeinde
Sep 22 2020 - Invoice from Canton
Did you get any documents from the Gemeindeamt between February and April 2020? Asking, b/c it says on the https://www.zh.ch/de/migration-integ...uergerung.html that:

Das Gemeindeamt prüft am Schalter keine Gesuchsformulare auf Vollständigkeit und Korrektheit. Sie erhalten innerhalb eines Monats eine Eingangsbestätigung. Vielleicht müssen Sie noch fehlenden Unterlagen einreichen.
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Did you get any documents from the Gemeindeamt between February and April 2020? Asking, b/c it says on the https://www.zh.ch/de/migration-integ...uergerung.html that:

Das Gemeindeamt prüft am Schalter keine Gesuchsformulare auf Vollständigkeit und Korrektheit. Sie erhalten innerhalb eines Monats eine Eingangsbestätigung. Vielleicht müssen Sie noch fehlenden Unterlagen einreichen.
I was missing 1 document required by my Gemeinde, it was a Motivationsschreiben which in the Formular itself was noted required for >10 yrs old. My youngest is only 8 so we did not submit such doc for her. Apr 21 I was asked by my Gemeinde for this doc and I simply complied without further questions. Basically that's it.

When you go first time to your Gemeinde, the required docs are clearly noted in a list. I strongly suggest to complete everything and submit them all at once to the Kanton.
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When you go first time to your Gemeinde, the required docs are clearly noted in a list. I strongly suggest to complete everything and submit them all at once to the Kanton.
Thanks, I submitted everything to the Gemeindeamt w/o consulting my Gemeinde. I assume I can do that b/c a). Gemeinde is listed as optional (Beratung-only) b). My Gemeinde allows to take KDE and GKT before applying.

I was wondering if I should see something within a month, or whether it can slip to 2-3 months like in some other cases.
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The process is explained on this page:

https://www.zh.ch/de/migration-integ...html#752553682

The Kanton must check the application for errors and missing documents before proceeding to the Gemeinde.

By submitting to the Gemeinde, they will do one of two things:
*Return it to you (when they get around to it)
*Send it to the Kanton on your behalf (when they get around to it)

Either way you've added an unecessary step that may cost you a couple of weeks, but relatively speaking that isn't much.
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Agree with litespeed, the Gemeinde will check the requirements and advise with regarding the next steps. The Gemeinde doesn't have the mandate to receive and process the documents for the naturalization process in the preliminary phase.
When completed, the documents must be sent to the Kanton for examination, including checking if the applicant has the requirements for naturalization.
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Agree with litespeed, the Gemeinde will check the requirements and advise with regarding the next steps. The Gemeinde doesn't have the mandate to receive and process the documents for the naturalization process in the preliminary phase.
When completed, the documents must be sent to the Kanton for examination, including checking if the applicant has the requirements for naturalization.
When I took in my papers bundle, I flipped through them with them, but they didn’t notice my employer’s form was a printed scan, and so I had to redo it weeks later - annoying as if the clerk had spotted that when I flipped rhrough with her it would have saved a load of time...
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When I took in my papers bundle, I flipped through them with them, but they didn’t notice my employer’s form was a printed scan, and so I had to redo it weeks later - annoying as if the clerk had spotted that when I flipped rhrough with her it would have saved a load of time...
... I went through similar situation and had to update a paper after submitting the documents to the Kanton, this delayed the process in about a month.
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Attached is the doc checklist I followed (for ZH Canton).
I erred on the side of caution, if noted as "kopie" then I sent scanned copy else I sent the original.
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Just submitting the application is part of the integration test :
*You are okay with lots of paper documents
*You follow the checklist
*You read carefully and follow the process
*last but not least, you must have lots and lots of patience
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Attached is the doc checklist I followed (for ZH Canton).
I erred on the side of caution, if noted as "kopie" then I sent scanned copy else I sent the original.
It's also sometimes contradictory. E.g. the checklist says that the language doesn't need ot be in original, while the handbook says it must.
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Attached is the doc checklist I followed (for ZH Canton).
I erred on the side of caution, if noted as "kopie" then I sent scanned copy else I sent the original.
It's also sometimes contradictory. E.g. the checklist says that the language cert doesn't need to be in original, while the handbook says it must.
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It's also sometimes contradictory. E.g. the checklist says that the language doesn't need ot be in original, while the handbook says it must.
I fell into this trap and provided a copy. The Gemeinde then requested the original.
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Does anyone know how to update the AHV once you are naturalized as Swiss? The only form I can find on the SVA site is to register a change of address, death, marriage/divorce.

https://svazurich.ch/online-services...ng-melden.html

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Indeed, the list is actually longer and includes:

-all insurance policies who now need to know you're Swiss and your place of origin as part of your updated ID (as your foreigner ID is now cancelled/expired/invalid)
-the AHV/IV
-Your employer
-Your Bank/Broker
-Your credit cards/Loans/Mortgages/creditors
-Your pensions
-Your utilities (if they're holding a deposit as a foreigner)
-Your mobile operator (as there are stricter ID requirements by law since 9/11)
-Your vehicle registrations
-anywhere else that needed a copy of your permit where that permit no longer exists now, and they need to replace the basis of your ID/residence here (eg Commercial Registry if a Director/Auditor etc)
-Your rental agreement/deposit account
-if involved in court/legal/admin proceedings, the Amt/Tribunal/Court
-Your representatives (Accountant, Lawyer, other)
-Anywhere you've lodged a will or living will or equivalent and you would now be ID'd as a Swiss based on your new Heimatort
-any licensor where you have a license eg Weapons etc
-there may be more depending on your circumstances
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