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Thank you Juraj_007! I haven't received that letter or any other from the Canton. The last letter I received in October said we will now send off your file for Cantonal approval and then after that Federal approval. That letter ends with as a final step you will be invited to the ceremony.

I was under the impression as well that the Cantonal approval came before the SEM bill but I'm not complaining and happy to have received it. By the way, this super important SEM bill was sent by B-post.
Yeah, that's the one I got (checks diary) beginning of November. So even for me the SEM bill shouldn't be that far ahead!
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April 2019: Gathered all documents, cost around 250chf
5.May 2019: Sent all papers to Kt. ZH
July 2019: received letter requesting additional document (son on application)
August 2019: Letter from Kt.ZH saying dossier sent the Gemeinde
September 2019: Letter from Gemeinde requesting one original language certificate.
October 2019: Letter stating knowledge test is prerequisite for interview and they had enrolled me for the exam. Bill for 180chf paid and learning guides /sample test received.
13 December 2019: Knowledge test completed under exam conditions
27 December 2019: Letter stating test passed (92/100), invite to be sent re town interview
13 August 2020:Letter received informing me that, due to COVID, the town to decide based on the documents/application alone. (no interview!)
08 September 2020: Informed that town will grant me "Gemeindebürgerrecht" (30 days after publication), bill for 500chf
21 October 2020: Confirmation from Kt. ZH that they have received my application back from the Gemeinde and processing could take a while. As others have mentioned, the letter explicitly permits moving within CH.
23 December 2020: Request from Kt. for residence confirmation, etc for our newborn child (not provided by the Gemeinde as they led me to believe)
12 January 2021: Confirmation of Kantonal approval, stated bill for 500chf to follow

Can anyone in Kt. Zurich say how long it took the Kt. Bill to arrive after the Kt. approval?
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Congratulations litespeed! I'm happy for you that your case is moving forward as well. 2021 will be the year when we all become Swiss, yay!
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Congratulations litespeed! I'm happy for you that your case is moving forward as well. 2021 will be the year when we all become Swiss, yay!
Thanks Serena. I like to be cautious against being too optimistic, so I think I will only relax/celebrate once it's all over!
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Can anyone in Kt. Zurich say how long it took the Kt. Bill to arrive after the Kt. approval?
In my case, the Kanton's bill arrived 2 weeks after the Kt approval's letter.
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Can anyone in Kt. Zurich say how long it took the Kt. Bill to arrive after the Kt. approval?
In our case, we received the bill 3 days before the letter! We just thought it was a Swiss thing to receive the bill first ;-) The bill was also dated 3 days before the letter.
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In our case, we received the bill 3 days before the letter! We just thought it was a Swiss thing to receive the bill first ;-) The bill was also dated 3 days before the letter.
Haha! Could be that the different officers process the letter/bill in a different order. But looking at the timelines of others here 2 weeks following seems to be the norm.
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I kickstarted the process in Lausanne early January 2019. Nothing happened until June 2019 when they requested some additional documents, then again radio silence until January this year when more documents were requested. I had my interview (rapport d'enquête) mid-June this year, and knowledge test is due next week. So for me, it has taken a little over 1.5 years so far, and the official estimation is that it may take an additional year for the process to be completed. So about 2.5 years from start to finish, if all goes well.

*EDIT* no visits from anyone at home, the rapport d'enquête was done at Place de la Palud but by the commune, not by police.
Hi Juraj_007,
Thanks for your post. I have some questions if you don't mind me asking:
-Do you live in Lausanne?
-What additional docs they have requested and how long it took you to obtain them?
- The rapport d'enquête intreveiw: what is about?
Myself and my partnet also live in Canton de Vaud but not in Lausanne and we are trying to prepare oursleves well in advance as were born and lived out of Europe so it might take some time to request certain docs.
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I have an update, my civil status has finally been registered and now my file can move on to the next stage. It took 15 months for this step to be completed. It seems that here the duration of the process really varies from person to person. So this doesn't mean that it will take this long for everyone still waiting.

Anyway I'm just glad that's done now. From what I have read here Cantonal and Federal approval take about 6 months so hopefully I will be done by early spring. I started the process back in August 2018 so 6 more months of waiting seems like nothing now. The patience test is a real thing people!
HI Serena,
Thanks for your post.
Could you please, advise what civil docs they reqeuested and how you obtain them before submission? I am a little bit worried about this step as I was born in out of Europe and some docs might not be easy to obtain.
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Jan 2019: Update civil list
Mar 2019: After confusion, submit forms
Apr 2019: Resubmit non-photocopy work certificate
Dec 2019: Interview invite for Feb
Feb 2020: Interview
Feb 2020: Citizenship subject to Kantonal and National approval
Jun 2020: Kantonal approval
Jul 2020: Bill from Bern
Today: Citizenship letter
HI SponPlague,
Thanks for your post.
Could you please, advise what you mean by " update civil list"? I am also British citisen (naturalised) and was born out of Europe. I will be applying for a Swiss sitizenship in Canton Vaud and they also request civil status docs. I have no idea where I should request them from.
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Christmas came early for us :-) We finally received the letter confirming our citizenship!

This thread has been so helpful to us throughout the whole process, so we would like to include our timeline as well. For reference, we are in Zurich city.

Apr 2019: Submitted application
May 2019: Confirmation of receipt of our application
Nov 2019: Received invitation for interview
Dec 2019: Interview
Jan 2020: Invoice from Stadt Zürich
Jun 2020: Invoice from Kanton Zürich
Jul 2020: Invoice from Bund
Dec 2020: Confirmation of citizenship

We did all of our German language tests ahead of time and were careful to ensure that our application included everything in the checklist, so as to not delay the process. In the end, it was still a very long and slow process.
Congratulations, Cremebrulee!
I have also done my FIDE French test already and I would appreciate if you could advise what other docs it is better to prepare in advance?
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I don't think there is a date requirement for the language certificate. I sat the B1 German exam 13 years ago and submitted this certificate with my citizenship application. I suppose if they have any doubts about your current German skills, they will test you anyway in the interview ;-)
Hi!

The FIDE test doesn't have an expiry date. I asked them twice and got the same answer So I did it well in advance

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Old 17.01.2021, 21:04
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What I find interesting is there are almost no posts here outside Kt. ZH, Geneva, Vaud, and Basel. Although not expecting too many ex-pats in places like Uri or Nidwalden, I would have thought we'd have more experiences from places like Zug and Schwyz posted here.
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I have asked if anyone has any experience to share from Rheinfelden or Mohlin or other AG towns but no posts thus far..... :-(
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Hi Ustinka,

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-What additional docs they have requested and how long it took you to obtain them?
- The rapport d'enquête intreveiw: what is about?
Myself and my partnet also live in Canton de Vaud but not in Lausanne and we are trying to prepare oursleves well in advance as were born and lived out of Europe so it might take some time to request certain docs.
I don't live in Lausanne anymore, but I started the procedure there, so for all intents and purposes it's the Lausanne commune handling my case.
Initially I had to supply the documents as requested by the cantonal website, (so proof of residence, C permit, language test report, passport copy). That kickstarted the process.
Additionally I had to send in (if my memory doesn't fail me), the following:
(the documents with star (*) they have sent to fill/sign, others I had to chase and provide)
- copy of the residence permit of my wife
- * signed declaration of innocence (that I am currently under no criminal investigation)
- phone number and e-mail address
- * CV (basically list of my past residencies, employers and education)
- extrait du registre des poursuites
- copy of C permit (again)
- attestation du travail
- last 3 monthly salary statements
- * confirmation of personal details (home, address, marital status)
- payment slip for 550 CHF
- payment slip for 250 CHF

Everything I had more or less ready, except of the poursuites bit.
The rapport d'enquête was straightforward and was centered on filling in this. About half was going through that and verifying the details, and second half just to understand my motivations for becoming Swiss. Very pleasant and non-threatening experience.

Hope it helps!

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Congratulations, Cremebrulee!
I have also done my FIDE French test already and I would appreciate if you could advise what other docs it is better to prepare in advance?
What I meant was to simply make sure that you provide all of the requested documents in the checklist they give you. If something is missing, it will delay the process. If you're not sure about a certain document, or where to obtain it, it's best to call them beforehand to clarify. Good luck with your application!
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I don't live in Lausanne anymore, but I started the procedure there, so for all intents and purposes it's the Lausanne commune handling my case.
Initially I had to supply the documents as requested by the cantonal website, (so proof of residence, C permit, language test report, passport copy). That kickstarted the process.
Additionally I had to send in (if my memory doesn't fail me), the following:
(the documents with star (*) they have sent to fill/sign, others I had to chase and provide)
- copy of the residence permit of my wife
- * signed declaration of innocence (that I am currently under no criminal investigation)
- phone number and e-mail address
- * CV (basically list of my past residencies, employers and education)
- extrait du registre des poursuites
- copy of C permit (again)
- attestation du travail
- last 3 monthly salary statements
- * confirmation of personal details (home, address, marital status)
- payment slip for 550 CHF
- payment slip for 250 CHF

Everything I had more or less ready, except of the poursuites bit.
The rapport d'enquête was straightforward and was centered on filling in this. About half was going through that and verifying the details, and second half just to understand my motivations for becoming Swiss. Very pleasant and non-threatening experience.

Hope it helps!
Hi Juraj_007,

Thanks a lot! It really helps. I can see that evenn in the same canton people are requested to provide different types of docs.
One more question , please regarding * confirmation of personal details (home, address, marital status) - who confirms this info? Is there any kind of paper provided by some kind of authorities? I can see that some people was requested to provide civil status report, is it the same?
Many thanks again.
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What I meant was to simply make sure that you provide all of the requested documents in the checklist they give you. If something is missing, it will delay the process. If you're not sure about a certain document, or where to obtain it, it's best to call them beforehand to clarify. Good luck with your application!
Ok, I see. Thanks a lot
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Hi Ustinka, you need to provide a document regarding your civil status. This could be for example a marriage certificate or a bachelorhood certificate if a person is single. One can get this certificate from their embassy. Then I was asked for my original birth certificate plus a translated and notarized copy. The documents requested for the birth certificate vary depending on the country of birth.

All of these documents must be less than 6 months old so you can't get them a long time in advance. These documents are not necessary yet when you submit your application. They are asked for in the next step and when that next step is seems to be different for each person.

Here's a page regarding civil status certificates:
https://www.ch.ch/en/ordering-civil-...-certificates/

Here's a page explaining in detail all the documents needed in Geneva and it's the same as in Vaud:
https://croce-associes.ch/swiss-nationality/

Edit: Just to clarify that I meant that Geneva asks for the same civil status documents as in Vaud. In the full list on that law office page they list other general documents that I didn't have to provide in Vaud. Such as the documents regarding rent and properties etc. and the clean criminal record certificate. In Vaud the clean record is checked during the procedure by the Canton.

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Hi Ustinka, you need to provide a document regarding your civil status. This could be for example a marriage certificate or a bachelorhood certificate if a person is single. One can get this certificate from their embassy. Then I was asked for my original birth certificate plus a translated and notarized copy. The documents requested for the birth certificate vary depending on the country of birth.

All of these documents must be less than 6 months old so you can't get them a long time in advance. These documents are not necessary yet when you submit your application. They are asked for in the next step and when that next step is seems to be different for each person.

Here's a page regarding civil status certificates:
https://www.ch.ch/en/ordering-civil-...-certificates/

Here's a page explaining in detail all the documents needed in Geneva and it's the same as in Vaud:
https://croce-associes.ch/swiss-nationality/

Edit: Just to clarify that I meant that Geneva asks for the same civil status documents as in Vaud. In the full list on that law office page they list other general documents that I didn't have to provide in Vaud. Such as the documents regarding rent and properties etc. and the clean criminal record certificate. In Vaud the clean record is checked during the procedure by the Canton.
Hi Serena,
Thanks a lot for your detailed response, it helps a lot.
I guess the addtionaly requested docs depend on a "profile" of an applicant It seems strange that the bachelorhood or marriage certificate needs to be requested from the Embassies of our home countries as we don't live their anymore but.. if this the rule, we will try
Thanks again, I hope you don't mind of I come back to you again if I have any questions. We live in the same canton and unfortunately, there are not many "naturalisation diary" from the canton Vaud on the Forum
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Yep, they send me a paper with that information (as I provided it when submitting the application). All info was correct, I just had to sign it and send it back.
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Yep, they send me a paper with that information (as I provided it when submitting the application). All info was correct, I just had to sign it and send it back.
Juraj_007,

Many thanks again for the info!
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SEM wrote me, they want money. Never before was a bill paid so quickly! I haven't even removed my shoes.
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SEM wrote me, they want money. Never before was a bill paid so quickly! I haven't even removed my shoes.
Congratulations! Please, keep us updated
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