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Old 01.06.2021, 08:41
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This may be slightly off-topic but not entirely. I would like to know how the military tax worked out for any of you who got their citizenship through naturalization. ...

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Check out this flyer: https://www.sz.ch/public/upload/asse...er-Website.pdf

Unfortunately depending on your birthdate, the WS avoidance tax may need be retrospectively paid when you get Swiss citizenship.
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Check out this flyer: https://www.sz.ch/public/upload/asse...er-Website.pdf

Unfortunately depending on your birthdate, the WS avoidance tax may need be retrospectively paid when you get Swiss citizenship.
Fortunately, I'm older than 37 when I got my citizenship... the military is not interested in me
My son though has to go through the whole she-bang!
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Old 01.06.2021, 18:32
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Fortunately, I'm older than 37 when I got my citizenship... the military is not interested in me
My son though has to go through the whole she-bang!

Same here..but I have two sons who will suffer..sorry enjoy the RS :-)
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Old 02.06.2021, 16:05
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Check out this flyer: https://www.sz.ch/public/upload/asse...er-Website.pdf

Unfortunately depending on your birthdate, the WS avoidance tax may need be retrospectively paid when you get Swiss citizenship.
Thanks for this. My German is very poor and I won't claim to have understood every meaning and fine detail. But it seems to me that are most affected those who got their citizenship earlier such as in 2013 and for whom, the change in the law catches them somewhere between 30 and 37 years old and asks them to "add a few years" of payment due to the change of the law.

I don't see any mention of retroactive payments before the naturalization year, i.e. in the 3 examples, before 2010 or 2013.

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Thanks for this. My German is very poor and I won't claim to have understood every meaning and fine detail. But it seems to me that are most affected those who got their citizenship earlier such as in 2013 and for whom, the change in the law catches them somewhere between 30 and 37 years old and asks them to "add a few years" of payment due to the change of the law.

I don't see any mention of retroactive payments before the naturalization year, i.e. in the 3 examples, before 2010 or 2013.

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You have the same document in French issued by Fribourg:

https://www.fr.ch/document/405136

https://www.fr.ch/impots/personnes-p...taxe-militaire
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Yep, they are identical. Still says nothing about retroactively paying "before" naturalization. If someone gets citizenship at 33 in 2021, it's clear he pays for 34, 35, 36, 37, but not clear whether he pays ahything more for the years before 2021.
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Yep, they are identical. Still says nothing about retroactively paying "before" naturalization. If someone gets citizenship at 33 in 2021, it's clear he pays for 34, 35, 36, 37, but not clear whether he pays ahything more for the years before 2021.
It is quite clear: because you naturalized after the new law came in force (01.01.2018) there is no retroactivity.
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Old 02.06.2021, 17:18
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It is quite clear: because you naturalized after the new law came in force (01.01.2018) there is no retroactivity.

True. The example I am aware of was someone who was naturalised a couple of years before the law change and was retrospectively billed...it was quite expensive.
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We made the appointment for the new passport and ID. Is it correct that you need to bring only the permit and the other passport(s), or did I overlook something on the website?
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Old 04.06.2021, 14:06
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Did you hear back? what did they say?
I received today a LETTER in response to my EMAIL. It simply stated that they had recieved my application / payment and that I need to be patient as processing can take many months.

So it seems my application is still hanging at the SEM...just hope they didn't tip the hourglass upside down again
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We made the appointment for the new passport and ID. Is it correct that you need to bring only the permit and the other passport(s), or did I overlook something on the website?
You have to bring your foreign passport.

Here is the remark from the email I received from https://zh.ch/pass:
Eingebürgerte Personen, die erstmals Schweizer Ausweise beantragen, weisen sich bitte mit ihrem ausländischen Pass aus. Ausländerausweise (=Aufenthaltsbewilligung B, C, F und N) werden nicht akzeptiert.
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You have to bring your foreign passport.

Here is the remark from the email I received from https://zh.ch/pass:
Eingebürgerte Personen, die erstmals Schweizer Ausweise beantragen, weisen sich bitte mit ihrem ausländischen Pass aus. Ausländerausweise (=Aufenthaltsbewilligung B, C, F und N) werden nicht akzeptiert.
It would be a good idea to bring your foreign passport just in case.

But when I applied for my Swiss ID back in November, they were perfectly happy with my C-Bewilligung.
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Oh dear ... sorry to hear that. But it would seem as a cookie-cutter response to me, i.e. you still may end up in a reasonable place on the Gaussian curve. "Many months" sounds like quite a stretch.

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Old 06.06.2021, 17:15
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

As I resign myself to the possibility I'm in penalty time, I look for solace in statistics. Unfortunately, they are not providing me with much. Full stats can be found here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...rgerungen.html

Some interesting ones:

Normal naturalisations in CH:

2019: 30'059
2020: 28'168
First 4 months of 2021: 6'810

2021 on track for approx. 21'000, quite a drop over the previous years..I think the SEM has slowed down due to mandatory home office.

of which in Kanton ZH:
2019 8'070
2020: 6'965

First 4 months of 2021: 2'560

Given the Gemeindeamt ZH increased the department headcount from 7 to 8 to process normal naturalisations, this number is steady.

in Canton Vaud:
2019: 5'426
2020: 4'371
First 4 months of 2021: 20 !!

Not sure what has happened here??

I could imagine the number of applications is staying steady with pre-COVID (or perhaps even increasing), so it would be interesting the know where the bottlenecks are, and how this might affect timelines generally. (outside city of Zürich, where everything just seems superquick).
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

For Vaud an explanation might be that the tail-end of the remaining applicants under the old law (which was heavily encouraged at the time) is over and/or notably slow cantonal administration.

Vaud also stands out by having a greater weight of facilitated than ordinary compared to the rest of the cantons given the numerous cantonal facilitated routes (e.g. for children who followed 5 years of obligatory schooling or those born in Switzerland).
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Thank you for the stats, litespeed!


For BS normal naturalizations:
2020: 981

Jan-Apr 2021: 418


which seems to be on track.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Hi Folks
I will be eligible to apply for the Naturalisation in October and curious to understand if anyone from the Forum naturalised (ordinary) in Rheinfelden or Mohlin. If yes, could you kindly share your experience. Most of the people I know naturalised in BS/BL. Thank you in advance.
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Update from my side

Canton Zurich, city of Zurich

End of May 2020: Submission
mid June 2020: Empfangsbestätigung with a note that it might take 2 months for further steps
mid September 2020: Zustellung an Wohngemeinde from Canton
***No interview needed, since I studied at ETH***
end of September 2020: Approval by Gemeinde and bill for 1200 CHF
beginning of November 2020: Returned to Canton with a note that it might take 4 months for further steps. And I am now able to move within Switzerland.
mid February 2021: Erteilung Kantonsbürgerrecht with a note that it might take 8 months for the rest of the process!
Mid March: Moved to a different city in canton of Zurich
one week after Erteilung Kantonsbürgerrecht: Cantonal bill of 500 CHF
March 2021: SEM bill of 100 CHF
End of April 2021: Letter from canton stating that SEM approved and I might have to wait another 4 months until they process it
Mid June 2021: received the golden letter and am officially Swiss now *Chuchichäschtli*

It took them around 1 year I wish everyone else good luck with the process!
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Congratulations!
wow this is amazing speed
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That is indeed admirable, I am absolutely not jealous at all. Congratulations!
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