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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Dec. 2018 - request deposed in Lausanne, Vaud
Feb. 2020 - commune accepted
Nov. 2020 - SEM CHF 100 bill

No news since then...
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I wonder if someone can help me in calculating the 10 year stay.
The reason I am checking is because this is my 2nd time in Switzerland.
First time I was here in July 2009 and Left in April 2011.
I came back in July 2013.
As I calculate, the 10 years (120 months).
Do the specific dates matter or does it matter what months I have spent in Switzerland. Because the depending on the way I count it, I can start the process in Aug'21 or Oct'21 (if I exclude the entire months of July'09, April'11 and July'13).
I could not confirm it with the Gemeinde thus checking.
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I wonder if someone can help me in calculating the 10 year stay.
The reason I am checking is because this is my 2nd time in Switzerland.
First time I was here in July 2009 and Left in April 2011.
I came back in July 2013.
As I calculate, the 10 years (120 months).
Do the specific dates matter or does it matter what months I have spent in Switzerland. Because the depending on the way I count it, I can start the process in Aug'21 or Oct'21 (if I exclude the entire months of July'09, April'11 and July'13).
I could not confirm it with the Gemeinde thus checking.
They will check the dates in the residence certificate(s) proving 10 years spent in Switzerland, which you will have to submit. The sum should be => 120 months.
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I wonder if someone can help me in calculating the 10 year stay.
The reason I am checking is because this is my 2nd time in Switzerland.
First time I was here in July 2009 and Left in April 2011.
I came back in July 2013.
As I calculate, the 10 years (120 months).
Do the specific dates matter or does it matter what months I have spent in Switzerland. Because the depending on the way I count it, I can start the process in Aug'21 or Oct'21 (if I exclude the entire months of July'09, April'11 and July'13).
I could not confirm it with the Gemeinde thus checking.
TIS, they are precise... they will count down to the "days" if needed. Why not send in your application in Aug-21 and see.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

OK so my case nudged a bit closer to its final conclusion today, by receiving what shall henceforth be known as the “silver letter”.
Letter said: “As there are no naturalization ceremonies in Vaud at the time, please let us know of any changes regarding your civil status, while sending along your C permit as well, no later than Aug 11, in order to finish your naturalization process. On Aug 30, we will communicate you the final decision including the instructions how to apply for your passport/ID”.

Seems I have managed to exit the proverbial Faraday cage after all.
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Congratulations Juraj!! happy to hear about that, your waiting time was absolutely ridiculous. Just out of curiosity, since my road is just a few months back from yours:
- who sent you this? the canton?
- did they mention where you should send your C Permit? To the canton? I know someone who got citizenship last year was asked to send the C Permit by post to some weird address, by the people at the Biometrics, while she was applying for ID+passport (that is, after receiving the golden letter and becoming de-facto citizen), so it seems to have been a very different procedure
- when they ask about the changes to the civil status, they only meant *if there are any changes*, right? otherwise there's nothing still to do regarding that?
- do you interpret the Aug 30 as the approximate date at which they will send you the golden letter? it's probably the first time I've read that someone gets notified in advance about a date when the golden letter may arrive...

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Congratulations Juraj!! happy to hear about that, your waiting time was absolutely ridiculous.
Cheers! How else am I supposed to develop the zen-like approach to things? You have two options: to wait patiently, or to wait impatiently
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Just out of curiosity, since my road is just a few months back from yours:
- who sent you this? the canton?
Yes, Service de la population, Naturalization department.
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- did they mention where you should send your C Permit? To the canton? I know someone who got citizenship last year was asked to send the C Permit by post to some weird address, by the people at the Biometrics, while she was applying for ID+passport (that is, after receiving the golden letter and becoming de-facto citizen), so it seems to have been a very different procedure
Yes, to the canton, service de la population. There is an enclosed identification page with the preprinted address, the same one I sent the initial application to (Centre de numerisation). I guess they're just going to shred it or something.
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- when they ask about the changes to the civil status, they only meant *if there are any changes*, right? otherwise there's nothing still to do regarding that?
Yep "let us know in writing if there were any changes......."
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- do you interpret the Aug 30 as the approximate date at which they will send you the golden letter? it's probably the first time I've read that someone gets notified in advance about a date when the golden letter may arrive...
My, perhaps incorrect, interpretation is that they still want to keep the notion of a date communicated in advance in lieu of the ceremonies that are not going on at the moment. So I understand it as "we can't give you the date of the ceremony as there's none, so instead we commit to the date when we close the process administratively including all the information you need to know".
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I sent an inquiry to the Vaud service de la population 8 months after the SEM bill, they answered by email two days later promising a finalization after the summer. One week later however I got this later asking for my C permit and promising an oath-less citizenship on August 30th.

I don't want to think my inquiry unstuck my application from some cracks of the system, but who knows, quite a coincidence.
Maybe it waited for decision that would re-enact in person oath ceremony and finally moved to yet another batch of contact-less proceedings.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Update :

Wrote to the GE OCPM asking when they might call me for the interview. Prompt email response saying they have long delays and my file has not yet been assigned to a case officer. They estimate it may take about 8 months before the interview.

So I guess January 2022 perhaps.


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On my way !

Submitted application by post to canton GE early March.
Received bill by post two weeks later.
Relieved that application not returned as incomplete ! Small joys of life.

The wait begins.

Thanks to everyone who has posted their experiences here and so many that guided me via PM. To all my appreciation and gratitude.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Shouldn't it be 10 continuous years?
[[/B][/B] I remember reading vaguely, it mentioned uninterrupted 10 years

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I wonder if someone can help me in calculating the 10 year stay.
The reason I am checking is because this is my 2nd time in Switzerland.
First time I was here in July 2009 and Left in April 2011.
I came back in July 2013.
As I calculate, the 10 years (120 months).
Do the specific dates matter or does it matter what months I have spent in Switzerland. Because the depending on the way I count it, I can start the process in Aug'21 or Oct'21 (if I exclude the entire months of July'09, April'11 and July'13).
I could not confirm it with the Gemeinde thus checking.
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I sent an inquiry to the Vaud service de la population 8 months after the SEM bill, they answered by email two days later promising a finalization after the summer. One week later however I got this later asking for my C permit and promising an oath-less citizenship on August 30th.

I don't want to think my inquiry unstuck my application from some cracks of the system, but who knows, quite a coincidence.
Maybe it waited for decision that would re-enact in person oath ceremony and finally moved to yet another batch of contact-less proceedings.
after 12 months of waiting for my civil data to be entered into the register, I called them. during the call, they said I should wait another 2-3 months, but to avoid being "disappointed" (I was like "whaaaat...??"), make it 4. Turned out it took them only 1 more month. So yeah, it's a good question whether it makes a difference if / when we "protest" the long waits...

based on your info and Juraj's, it seems indeed they are processing things in batches, since both of you are scheduled for Aug 30. Next useful info for peloton riders like myself would be to know what is the frequency of such batches. Anyone? Thanks in advance!
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Shouldn't it be 10 continuous years?
[[/B][/B] I remember reading vaguely, it mentioned uninterrupted 10 years
No, for citizenship it's 10 years in total with at least 3 of them during the last 5 years.
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I can think of two explanations: it's either just a question of workflow and the Aug 30 would be the date when the citizenship ceremony would have taken place so the batch processing is a feature of the system (in which case the frequency would mirror the frequency of the ceremonies), or the authorities work in suspended mode during the summer holidays.

Incidentally, yesterday I celebrated 2.5 years since I sent in the initial application by sending away my C-permit for the last time. Will be interesting to explain this to the Swiss border guards during the next 2 months. "How long are you staying in the country?" "I live here" "Oh, you're a citizen or a foreign resident?" "I don't really know at the moment ....." I did keep the copy of it, including the copy of the letter asking me to send it away, just in case.
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Will be interesting to explain this to the Swiss border guards during the next 2 months. "How long are you staying in the country?" "I live here" "Oh, you're a citizen or a foreign resident?" "I don't really know at the moment ....."
Just tell them your transitioning through a beauracratic twilight zone.
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based on your info and Juraj's, it seems indeed they are processing things in batches, since both of you are scheduled for Aug 30. Next useful info for peloton riders like myself would be to know what is the frequency of such batches. Anyone? Thanks in advance!
Also in the queue in VD but looks like I'm a few steps ahead. Got the exact same letter as Juraj except the dates are earlier. Had to send in permit and indicate any changes by mid June with the final process and papers to be sent early July. Indeed they seem to be processing in batches.
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I have internalized the term of "Schrödinger citizenship".

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For the people from Vaud, I was wondering how you got the relevé general from the tax office? was there a specific form to fill or did you just send them a message asking for it? I'd sent the tax office an email last week but am still waiting for a reply.

I just got my appointment in August for the rapport de information from commune, and they required the tax statement for the dossier.
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I dropped them an email too, took 1 or 2 weeks to arrive IIRC.

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For the people from Vaud, I was wondering how you got the relevé general from the tax office? was there a specific form to fill or did you just send them a message asking for it? I'd sent the tax office an email last week but am still waiting for a reply.

I just got my appointment in August for the rapport de information from commune, and they required the tax statement for the dossier.
I called them on the phone (the document was not on the list of documents on their website that can be delivered by ordering them online - maybe it's because it's a more "rare" document) and after identifying with my tax ID and told her what I needed, she immediately understood what and hung up the phone

Still, I did get the document within very few working days (3-4), I don't remember exactly.
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I can think of two explanations: it's either just a question of workflow and the Aug 30 would be the date when the citizenship ceremony would have taken place so the batch processing is a feature of the system (in which case the frequency would mirror the frequency of the ceremonies), or the authorities work in suspended mode during the summer holidays.

Incidentally, yesterday I celebrated 2.5 years since I sent in the initial application by sending away my C-permit for the last time. Will be interesting to explain this to the Swiss border guards during the next 2 months. "How long are you staying in the country?" "I live here" "Oh, you're a citizen or a foreign resident?" "I don't really know at the moment ....." I did keep the copy of it, including the copy of the letter asking me to send it away, just in case.
I had something similar many years ago when converting B to C. Took them 14 months to do that, meanwhile my B expired, and they would not renew it

At that time I went to the commune registration office (Contrôle d'habitants) and obtained something called a "declaration on the legality of stay" (Déclaration sur la légalité du séjour en Suisse). This was valid for 6 months, and, obviously, the 6 months passed without my C arriving, and I then had to go get yet another one. They said I'd have to carry this around "in case I get controlled by the cops". Really, they did.

Maybe this would be a bit of an overkill, but with all the corona restrictions, if you want to travel abroad for vacations, and avoid any mess on return... But anyway keeping a copy of your valid permit + letter that you have to send it for naturalization is already a great idea and probably a must from the very beginning...
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