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I called them on the phone (the document was not on the list of documents on their website that can be delivered by ordering them online - maybe it's because it's a more "rare" document) and after identifying with my tax ID and told her what I needed, she immediately understood what and hung up the phone

Still, I did get the document within very few working days (3-4), I don't remember exactly.

Thanks! I managed to get through to them via telephone after trying all morning.. the lady was quite nice and said it would be sent quite soon
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I have a question to people born in ex-USSR countries: have you been able to prove that our birth certificates do not have expiration date and thus can be older than 6 months or did they make you get recent certificate anyway? I have a copy of the letter from our embassy explaining them the situation with our birth certificates (I was a fool to send them the original of this letter last time). They need a birth certificate of our daughter and we have it with translation and double apostille but it is older than 6 months of course.
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I have a question to people born in ex-USSR countries: have you been able to prove that our birth certificates do not have expiration date and thus can be older than 6 months or did they make you get recent certificate anyway? I have a copy of the letter from our embassy explaining them the situation with our birth certificates (I was a fool to send them the original of this letter last time). They need a birth certificate of our daughter and we have it with translation and double apostille but it is older than 6 months of course.
I don't think this is specific to any country in particular - same applies to UK (no expiry date), they still need one newer than six months.

It's nothing to do with expiry, since in most cases your birth certificate only expires when you do. Not sure what the reasoning is, but I've read somewhere that it's so the copy is more easy to validate and not a worn out twenty year old bit of paper.
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I have a question to people born in ex-USSR countries: have you been able to prove that our birth certificates do not have expiration date and thus can be older than 6 months or did they make you get recent certificate anyway? I have a copy of the letter from our embassy explaining them the situation with our birth certificates (I was a fool to send them the original of this letter last time). They need a birth certificate of our daughter and we have it with translation and double apostille but it is older than 6 months of course.
They don't care. It used to be the case that they accepted the original (especially old Soviet ones) but for some years now they know that your country can reissue a birth certificate (повторно свідоцтво про народження) and they will make you get it, the letter from the embassy won't help. It has nothing to do with the expiry date, of course there's none.
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Old 06.07.2021, 19:25
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but I've read somewhere that it's so the copy is more easy to validate and not a worn out twenty year old bit of paper.
Possible, and maybe because you typically only have the original and don't want to give that away.

But surely a notarized copy could get you around that problem.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Process for us so far (normal naturalization of a child, not born in Switzerland, Kanton BS):


Jan 2021: birth certificate, less than 6 months old, for registration in the Zivilstandsamt/civil registry office
Feb 2021: received the Personenstand document from the civil registry office
Feb 2021: sent the application to the Kanton
Feb 2021: confirmation of receipt from the Kanton, bill for 600 Fr, told to expect an interview in 5-7 months
Jul 2021: request for a cv, telephone interview with the Kanton
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Hi there folks, thanks for posting all these infos, time for me to add some more for people that are applying in Zürich (city)

Have a look at this thread first
https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...sgespr-ch.html

We've submitted the application end of July 2020. End of June 2021 we were invited for the interview at Stadt Zürich.

The envelope contained the Broschüre zum Einbürgerungsgespräch, you can check it online here https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...gespraech.html

What is new now is a written test, also mentioned inside the brochure, page 5 - "Während des Gesprächs prüfen wir Ihre Grundkenntnisse in einem schriftlichen Test."

The meeting took about 1h, the city hall employee explained the process then went briefly through a checklist, i.e. checking the employment status or if the Betreibungsregisterauszug + SteuerErklärung are up to date.

Then we've proceeded with the written test, the questions are from the brochure, there are:
- single-answer multiple-choice questions,
- true/false questions,
- simple open-end questions
- matching / drawing on a map questions.
In total 50 questions and you have 30 minutes time to complete it.

The questions are not hard, if you are reading and get used with the brochure then you are good to go. Many of them you can answer by eliminating the wrong or funny ones, pay attention to some subtle details(like which of the following mountain is NOT in canton Zürich).

Also the open-ended questions are not hard, i.e. you have to write the spoken languages in Switzerland or to name main festivals in Zürich. The drawing exercise are also simple, check page 46 in the brochure with the simplified map of Switzerland (no labels, only river streams), you can get a question like "whats the name of this river" and there is a red arrow on Rhone.

Check the Selbsttest example https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...enntnisse.html to have an idea about the questions.

Then the employee is quickly assessing the test results, you can do a max 50 points and 30 is required to pass.

The last part is a freestyle discussion where the employee asks questions like "why do you want to become swiss" and "how are you integrated in the swiss life", basically you can repeat what you have written in the application form. No tricky questions, I was trying to be ready also for a "what you dont like about switzerland"-like questions, the employee didnt ask such, she was very friendly.

That's it, hope it helps others, don't worry about the test, TBH I was happier to do that instead of using my own words to explain what is Bundesverfassung or other politics terms, Just get familiar with the brochure and you'll easily pass it.

Now is our turn to get grilled more and wait for the next letters
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Hi,

Did the interview already happen ? What to expect in this interview as I have mine in couple of weeks ?

Jan 2021: birth certificate, less than 6 months old, for registration in the Zivilstandsamt/civil registry office
Feb 2021: received the Personenstand document from the civil registry office
Feb 2021: sent the application to the Kanton
Feb 2021: confirmation of receipt from the Kanton, bill for 600 Fr, told to expect an interview in 5-7 months
Jul 2021: request for a cv, telephone interview with the Kanton[/QUOTE]
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Hi,

Did the interview already happen ? What to expect in this interview as I have mine in couple of weeks ?

Hi Blausee, I sent you a PM. The interview was in line with what I heard others experiencing - it is a short series of questions to confirm the data you listed on your application form. 10 minutes total.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

My update (a largeish city in Kt. Zurich)

July-August 2020 -> KDE/Grundkenntnistest/C-Permit
September 2020 -> Docs sent to the Gemeindeamt
November 2020 -> Confirmation from the Geminedeamt
January 2021 -> Docs sent to my Gemeinde by the Kt
March 2021 -> Request from my Gemeinde to send them my tax declaration
May 2021 -> Invitation to Einbuergerungsgespraech
June 2021 -> Einbuergerungsgespraech

The Einbuergerungsgespraech was somewhat unexpected as it was in large part a repetition of the Grundkenntnistest - e.g. I was asked about Pflichten and Freicheiten in Switzerland or leisure zones in the city. As well there were some repeated questions from the Selbstdeklaration - if I have Swiss friends/colleagues, what do it my Freizeit etc., or if I belong to any sport clubs or other Vereinen.

I was maybe expecting some more open-ended discussions, about what I like in Switzerland, my plans, but all questions were read from a script.

Overall the feeling is positive, I should know about the results after the summer b/c Sommerferien.
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OK so my case nudged a bit closer to its final conclusion today, by receiving what shall henceforth be known as the “silver letter”.
Letter said: “As there are no naturalization ceremonies in Vaud at the time, please let us know of any changes regarding your civil status, while sending along your C permit as well, no later than Aug 11, in order to finish your naturalization process. On Aug 30, we will communicate you the final decision including the instructions how to apply for your passport/ID”.
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Also in the queue in VD but looks like I'm a few steps ahead. Got the exact same letter as Juraj except the dates are earlier. Had to send in permit and indicate any changes by mid June with the final process and papers to be sent early July. Indeed they seem to be processing in batches.
So mine is now complete and went exactly according to the schedule they outlined in Juraj's letter, but my dates were earlier, the latter date being 9 July. On 10 July (Saturday) I received a courrier A with all the details they promised (naturalisation decision, letter of Mr. Leuba explaining the absence of oath ceremony and process, a ceremonial souvenir of the oath, and process to get passport/ID card. Interesting they say the original decision of naturalisation is unique and cannot be replaced. Guess they really trust the swiss poste. Also although the process was completed on 9 July and sent that day, the actual date of acquiring swiss nationality for me was 21 June as stated in the naturalisation decision.

Also, my process started under the old law in December 2017. I don't remember all the stages, but was visited by a person hired by the commune for preliminary check in 1st quarter 2018. Commune interview and questions was in 2nd-3rd quarter 2018. Then it seems the canton took its time. There were a few hiccups due to my mother's name at the time of my birth. What was already on record in the swiss red book I informed them was incorrect and I had to get all new documentation less than 6 months old to prove this. Getting the documentation from USA at the height of the pandemic in a state extremely hard hit by Covid proved near impossible, so that dragged thigs out, in addition to overall mail slowdowns and Covid related slowdowns. So a good 3.5 years in all.
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Interestingly the team processing normal naturalisations has been increased from 8 to 10! Could be an indication of the current workload, or that there will be a transition due to 1 or 2 staff leaving.



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Interestingly the team processing normal naturalisations has been increased from 8 to 10! Could be an indication of the current workload, or that there will be a transition due to 1 or 2 staff leaving.



https://www.zh.ch/de/direktion-der-j...ml#-1864346150
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The alphabet-letters under Funktion, is that the applicant last names assigned to them?
Yes, cases are assigned depending on the first letter of the applicant's family name.
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A short update:

I summonsed the courage to ring the ZH Canton office and was told that my dossier is still in Bern. I was given the same SEM email I enquired with 7 weeks ago, so I'm not game enough to repeat my enquiry just yet. So in best case another 7-8 weeks...

So right now it's been with Bern for nearly 6 months. Now I know that it can take up to 8 months, but from my understanding this is quite exceptional. This is getting a bit depressing, especially when some here have it processed within 2-3 months....
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Hang in there, litespeed! I fully understand your feelings, though. You feel at someone's mercy for something that should not actually be an issue.
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A short update:

I summonsed the courage to ring the ZH Canton office and was told that my dossier is still in Bern. I was given the same SEM email I enquired with 7 weeks ago, so I'm not game enough to repeat my enquiry just yet. So in best case another 7-8 weeks...

So right now it's been with Bern for nearly 6 months. Now I know that it can take up to 8 months, but from my understanding this is quite exceptional. This is getting a bit depressing, especially when some here have it processed within 2-3 months....
Are the 6 months since the Canton sent to SEM or since you paid the SEM bill? did the SEM bill come soon after canton sent? Thanks
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Are the 6 months since the Canton sent to SEM or since you paid the SEM bill? did the SEM bill come soon after canton sent? Thanks
I am not aware when the SEM received my dossier but I paid the SEM bill on the 8th February, so I assume they received the file a couple of weeks before that.
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A short update:

I summonsed the courage to ring the ZH Canton office and was told that my dossier is still in Bern. I was given the same SEM email I enquired with 7 weeks ago, so I'm not game enough to repeat my enquiry just yet. So in best case another 7-8 weeks...

So right now it's been with Bern for nearly 6 months. Now I know that it can take up to 8 months, but from my understanding this is quite exceptional. This is getting a bit depressing, especially when some here have it processed within 2-3 months....
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