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Old 02.06.2013, 15:36
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Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

In about 5 months time I will be eligible for to apply for normal.Swiss citizenship. As there seems to be a lot of threads on the subject, and a lot of changes and confusion, I am beginning this thread now to fully document my experience as it continues, step-or-step, issue for issue. I welcome any comment or help of course.

My Gemeinde is Dietikon. The most recent information on their website requires the following residential qualifications:

  • 12 years in Switzerland + 5 years uninterrupted* in Dietikon; ( I will satisfy this requirement)
  • 15 years in Switzerland + 2 years uninterrupted* in Dietikon
*Uninterrupted mean continuously registered and paying tax here, and this must continue to be my place of residency until the process is complete.



Also required is the following:


  • Good speaking and understanding of German (Level B1)
  • Good character (clean criminal and financial record)
  • Stable employment/income
  • No tax debt*
  • No claiming of social welfare benefits
* I'm assuming this means all payments for definite tax assessments...and that provisional payments are not included.
  • Successful passing of "Standortbestimmung Deutsch und Gesellschaft"
Basically, this means that a citizenship test (knowledge of country, laws, geography, etc). and a language test (the later can be excused on production of a B1 or higher language certificate, according to the website).


So at the moment my question is: do I have to pass the citizenship knowledge test PRIOR to the application, or during the application?



The website continues to give a rough "road map" of the process, but states the duration is completely dependent upon the "candidate's situation". It also goes on to point out the costs, which combined with Federal/Kanton/Canton, come to around 5000chf per applicant (you also have to pay if you are refused!!).



At this stage, I'll be taking any suggestions for preparation.
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Old 03.06.2013, 08:58
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

To my knowledge you will have to attend a course on "How to be Swiss" lasting several evenings and then there is a test.

Paddy in Fribourg documented his way to citizenship quite thoroughly, but as you no doubt realise every Gemeinde and Commune have their own rules.
Commune naturalisation interview...done

http://www.englishforum.ch/search2.php?q=naturalization
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I too think you'll have to talk to your Gemeinde directly about that. I became Swiss in Feb of this year and I didn't have to take a formal citizenship exam. I was given a booklet with the basic information and my Gemeinde interview was primarily an oral exam on that, along with the usual questions of why do you want to become Swiss.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I just started the process for ordinary naturalisation in Canton de Vaud albeit as a registered partner of a swiss citizen, which reduces my waiting time to 5 years instead of the usual 12 years , and the requirements are basically the same as the OP, except in Vaud there is no official citizenship test and language skills are assessed by the person in charge of naturalisation at the commune when asking for the naturalisation application form. I'd say my level in French is about B1.
I know in Neuchatel and Berne the level required is A2 for naturalisation and in Valais and Geneva it's B1.

Documents needed to be send off with my application which is written on the application form, is basically:

1 passport size photograph
Copy of my B permit
Copy of my passport
Attestation of residence for all the time in switzerland
Police clearance (extrait de casier judiciaire)
Declaration from the cantonal tax office stating the last 5 years taxes have been paid, and if not that there is an arrangement in place with them, to pay if off.
Extract from the office de poursuite, stating that i am not in debt.
Attestation from one's employer if working
Attestation from school or university for children and students.

For self employed persons:

An Attestation that you are affiliated to the AVS which indicates your annual income as well
Copy of the commercial registry
Attestation of no debt

Cost for one applicant: communal (maximum the commune can charge is 400chf) + cantonal + federal = 750chf

However in Canton Vaud, before one can get the application form, one has to get the green light from the Cantonal Civil status section by having one's civil status registered in the Infostar if it is not there already.
The commune will give you an application form to fill in which you need to send off to the civil status section of the canton.
For this i needed my Partnership certificate(marriage certificate), birth certificate and certificates of all your family members such as your children whether included in the naturalisation application or not, and it needs to be apostilled and translated if not in a swiss official language.
Once all this is sorted the canton sends you a document, BON POUR ACCORD, which is valid for 6 months. With this in hand you go back to the commune and the person in charge of naturalisation will only then give you the naturalisation application form to fill in .

People doing a facilitated naturalisation don't have to do this registering of their civil details i just mentioned in Canton Vaud.

As explained to me by the person in charge of naturalisation in my commune, once i hand in my application form, the commune will check that everything is in order. Then there will be a police report or an adminstrative one done by the commune. Since my commune is small, it will be an administrative one, which will be followed by a letter from my commune inviting me for the interview.
Luckily in my commune there's no naturalisation committee, and either the municipality or the person in charge of naturalisation will conduct the interview.
If all goes well, the municipality will accord me the bourgeoisie of the commune, and then send the file onto the canton, which is basically just a mere formality, unless they have serious doubts about the candidates integration, to accord me the droit de cité, and then off to Berne for the federal agreement and then the citizenship ceremony in Lausanne.

But as Sbrinz and ENG_CH mentioned, each commune/gemeinde has their own way of doing things.

But this is more or less the process in Canton Vaud and the documents needed.

Hope this might be of some use to anyone out there in Canton Vaud.

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I think you probably do not pay all the processing costs if for any reason your application is refused.
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It is also not as high as stated now it is much lower.
Stated where?

True that it's not linked anymore to an income,

however, imho in many cantons it's about twice/ 3 times of this:
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Cost for one applicant: communal (maximum the commune can charge is 400chf) + cantonal + federal = 750chf
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I too think you'll have to talk to your Gemeinde directly about that. I became Swiss in Feb of this year and I didn't have to take a formal citizenship exam. I was given a booklet with the basic information and my Gemeinde interview was primarily an oral exam on that, along with the usual questions of why do you want to become Swiss.
I know already that I have to do a formal citizenship test in my Gemeinde; it is done at the local tech college (80 francs) and if you fail once your application is delayed 6-12 months, fail a second time and they refuse your application.

I'll be somewhat annoyed if they ask for my birth certificate again (translated and apostled), as I needed that for my original B permit and nothing has changed since!!
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I know already that I have to do a formal citizenship test in my Gemeinde; it is done at the local tech college (80 francs) and if you fail once your application is delayed 6-12 months, fail a second time and they refuse your application.

I'll be somewhat annoyed if they ask for my birth certificate again (translated and apostled), as I needed that for my original B permit and nothing has changed since!!
I too was annoyed as they had a copy of my birth certificate and the original in Lausanne for when i first arrived in switzerland.
The kind lady at the commune told me that all documents needed to be less than 6 months old.
So it seems i get reborn every 6 months. What a real pain to go through, not to mention for my mother.

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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I think you probably do not pay all the processing costs if for any reason your application is refused. It is also not as high as stated now it is much lower.
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I too was annoyed as they had a copy of my birth certificate and the original in Lausanne for when i first arrived in switzerland.
The kind lady at the commune told me that all documents needed to be less than 6 months old.
So it seems i get reborn every 6 months. What a real pain to go through, not to mention for my mother.
This is what I thought, so it is probably a good thing that I will be going home for a couple of weeks before I submit my application. This will give me a chance to get all the required documents that I might need whilst I'm there.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

I submitted my ordinary application in the canton of Vaud.

Application submitted: 09.2015
Police interview: 09.2015
Commune interview: 12.2015
Communal approval: 01.2016
Cantonal approval: 05.2016
Federal approval: 10.2016

I have yet to receive a convocation to swear the oath, but other than that all the formalities are now done.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

So here is my timeline, hopefully it will help those applying as well.

Einbürgerung: Zürich City .

Regular Naturalisation

Trip to the Stadthaus in Zürich. Got all the forms and information. Collected all the papers.

18.04.2016 Sent the papers.

24.06.2016 C-1 German Certificate sent.

10.01.2017 Invite for Einbürgerungsgespräch.

08.02.2017 Einbürgerungsgespräch in the Stadthaus:

45 min conversation, very nice guy from Wallis. I was well prepared. He just wanted to know how much I knew about Switzerland, and I explained everything: Geography, history, all the Federal councils and their departments, I spoke a bit in Swiss German as well. He liked that a lot. Got a very positive review from him. All in all, it was a good chat. I was quite nervous before, but there was no need for it.

7.04.2017 City of Zürich payment CHF 1200

23.05.2017 Kanton payment CHF 500

10.08.2017 Federal Approval. CHF 115 payment.

11.08.2017 Papers sent to Kanton ZH Einbürgerungsabteilung.

22.08.2017 Confirmation received. Swiss!

24.8.2017 Schrifftempangscheine from the Gemeinde.

Made an appointment at the Passbüro.

29.08.2017 Passbüro Biometrics taken. CHF 158 for the Passport and ID combo.

31.08.2017 Received both Passport and ID today.

All done! Took 16.5 months in total. Finally Swiss as well!!!

Cost around CHF 2300 for all the papers and passport and id from start till the end.

No references were contacted. No police came by for interview.

So that my my entry in the applicant diary.

Cheers and wishing you all a pleasant day

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P.S I would like to thank everyone here on the Forum who helped me with information and those who posted their own timelines here, it was very helpful.
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All done! Took 16.5 months in total. Finally Swiss as well!!!

Cost around CHF 2300 for all the papers and passport and id from start till the end.
Turned in the Ordinary Naturalisation applications for both kids on Friday (01.Dec.17). Was told that ID papers will be sent to India for checking, and that we'll probably hear from them in summer 2018. Charged 1000Fr for this 'checking' and 200Fr for the file. So my questions are:
  1. Is this 1000Fr going to be over and above the usual ballpark figure of ~2000?
  2. Ditto for time frame. Is this 6 months part of 16-18, or extra?

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Hi Sva,

I am presuming Canton Fribourg as you list your location as Villars Sur Glane.

(Note to other posters, please specify Canton and Commune . In Switzerland, it's almost a requirement to specify these to work out any applicable regulations).

The 1000 CHF should be just the Cantonal Service fees. As you said, the 200 CHF is just a filing fee. When it goes to the Commune expect more fees. And if it goes to the Canton for the final decision, more fees. From memory of my time, it's part of the normal +- 2000 CHF (each).

More on the communal fees and process here: https://www.villars-sur-glane.ch/aut...aturalisations

The first 6 months is just file checking. Also, if you don't hear from them by about June, then nothing will happen until late September. It's part of the 3+ years (18 months is quite short for Fribourg) of the process. Of course, different circumstances can affect the speed of the process.

Anecdotal evidence from friends and coworkers is that the time in Fribourg is blowing out, most likely due to a rush of applicants getting in before the law changes.
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So here is my timeline, hopefully it will help those applying as well.

Einbürgerung: Zürich City .

Regular Naturalisation

Trip to the Stadthaus in Zürich. Got all the forms and information. Collected all the papers.

18.04.2016 Sent the papers.

24.06.2016 C-1 German Certificate sent.

10.01.2017 Invite for Einbürgerungsgespräch.

08.02.2017 Einbürgerungsgespräch in the Stadthaus:

45 min conversation, very nice guy from Wallis. I was well prepared. He just wanted to know how much I knew about Switzerland, and I explained everything: Geography, history, all the Federal councils and their departments, I spoke a bit in Swiss German as well. He liked that a lot. Got a very positive review from him. All in all, it was a good chat. I was quite nervous before, but there was no need for it.

7.04.2017 City of Zürich payment CHF 1200

23.05.2017 Kanton payment CHF 500

10.08.2017 Federal Approval. CHF 115 payment.

11.08.2017 Papers sent to Kanton ZH Einbürgerungsabteilung.

22.08.2017 Confirmation received. Swiss!

24.8.2017 Schrifftempangscheine from the Gemeinde.

Made an appointment at the Passbüro.

29.08.2017 Passbüro Biometrics taken. CHF 158 for the Passport and ID combo.

31.08.2017 Received both Passport and ID today.

All done! Took 16.5 months in total. Finally Swiss as well!!!

Cost around CHF 2300 for all the papers and passport and id from start till the end.

No references were contacted. No police came by for interview.

So that my my entry in the applicant diary.

Cheers and wishing you all a pleasant day

S

P.S I would like to thank everyone here on the Forum who helped me with information and those who posted their own timelines here, it was very helpful.
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

Hi Sam,
Thanks a lot for a very detailed overview. Just wanted to make sure, did you really receive the final certificate 11 days after sending the confirmation/receipts? It's been 3 weeks already in our case and I am thinking of phoning the Gemeindeamt to see if all ok. Thanks a lot
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Re: Normal Naturalisation - applicant diary

OK, so this was the federal approval (COD letter for 115chf).

But the post person just left it in the post box, did not ask for the 115chf. I guess I now need to go to the post office and pay this otherwise I will run into issues.

NOTE: With the Federal approval is a letter which states you need to send the approval along with copies of payment to the Gemeinde and the Kanton. Took me a while to find these in my on-line bank account. So advice you to keep a copy to hand during the process
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