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febe 08.02.2008 17:31

Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa
 
Hope this helps anyone who are in the initial steps....

http://www.binational.ch/en/fragen/ehe.html

Rahip 08.02.2008 20:30

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Hi Finngirl

I am very sorry to hear that. Just in case this would happen to us too I found out what the plan B could be, hope this helps:

Problem: there is no legal right to get the visa for marriage preparation.
Solution: there is a legal right to get married. Once you have the date of marriage arranged on the Standesamt they have to give you a visa for the marriage. (starting one week or so before that date I believe)

Getting married is a serious decision according to swiss law and noone can keep you from taking that step. Also as you wrote you could get a visit visa and just get married anyways, although immigration is going to tell you that you can't. Luckily for us this is not theyr call! (No law against, just a "Weisung", it's a human right to get married though.. :D )

I wouldn't advise going to immigration if avoidable, they're not going to be helpful in that matter. You can however object to their decision and ask for reevaluation. Written and posted via "Einschreiben" (signed post I believe). Some people reported to have had success with that, obviously they don't like the rate of formal complaints after people have asked for reevaluation..

Also somebody else could give a financial guarantee for you, for example his parents, siblings, friends with the necessary bank statements and so on.

Oh and if you have health insurance for that period valid in switzerland the amount necessary drops significantly.

again, very sorry for what they're acting like

Rahip

Rahip 08.02.2008 20:38

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Hi febe

thanks for posting the link, sadly getting information from the net has brought me nowhere. Maybe it's because this page cannot estimate the amount of racism, prejudice and fear in the according office. Also some of the information is outdated since laws and procedures regarding "Ausländer" change rapidly for the worse. Starting this year the Standesamt has all new procedures, making everything even more complicated I fear.

Rahip

msmaddymax 08.02.2008 21:09

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finngirl, as you're from the eu why would you need a visa for preparation of marriage? your partner should be able to apply for permission to marriage (which inlcludes some paperwork from you) and then you can just show up on the day of the scheduled ceremony. that's how we did it, and i'm not even eu. as far as i recall, whether my partner could support me or not did not play a role in receiving permission to marry.

or am i missing something?

08.02.2008 21:36

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Hi and thanks for the sympathy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahip (Post 170242)
Solution: there is a legal right to get married. Once you have the date of marriage arranged on the Standesamt they have to give you a visa for the marriage. (starting one week or so before that date I believe)


Yea Rahip this is what we also think.
For sure there is someway for us to get married.

Quote:

Originally Posted by msmaddymax (Post 170262)
finngirl, as you're from the eu why would you need a visa for preparation of marriage? your partner should be able to apply for permission to marriage (which inlcludes some paperwork from you) and then you can just show up on the day of the scheduled ceremony. that's how we did it, and i'm not even eu. as far as i recall, whether my partner could support me or not did not play a role in receiving permission to marry.

or am i missing something?

I´m sure this is possible when you don´t want to stay in Switzerland. The problem is that our marriage should take place in the end of July and I would like to stay in Switzerland till that so this is why I´m fighting with the permits. Or well, I´m doing what I have been told to do by the municipality.

Maria 09.02.2008 11:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahip (Post 169868)
Thanks Maria!

i came across the imdb entry for "Die Schweizermacher" http://german.imdb.com/title/tt0078212/

even though it says german the entry is in english don't worry. I can't tell you if there is subtitles or even dubbed versions available but that every 6th person in Switzerland watched the movie when it came to cinemas around 1980. Almost one million people! Watch it

Rahip

Danke Danke Raph...will have to download it from somewhere or will wait till I get back...soon soon very soon ;-)

Maria 09.02.2008 11:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smithash (Post 170097)
I meant can someone point to a reference from the Swiss about marriage visas because I am 99% sure such a thing does not exist. It certainly did not exist when I got married they told me that my wife's existing visit visa was sufficient. The rules may be different if both parties are non EU nationals but my wife did not provide police checks etc. If its changed then my apologies but I checked a few web sites I used previously and can't see anything.

It's all a conspiracy I tell you...

Maria 09.02.2008 11:07

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Hey Finngirl, I feel your pain...but don't get all sad and down. Ultimately they have to give you that permit.
Good luck!

Rahip 13.02.2008 23:33

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Hello e-forum!

so pleased to announce that today a letter would have arrived from the Migrationsamt, if I would have heard the post-woman despite the heavy construction going on.

Later on the post office I learned that somehow (quote: "die händ e chli es gnoosch em momänt" :eek:) it had ended up on the other side of town.. I was in a hurry for an exam, so no time to complain and neither to go there anymore before. Or ask for second delivery. Anyway, judging from the price (111Fr, who made that number up anyway?) it cannot be a no. Haven't seen such an expensive no recently. :D

A very happy Rahip

P.S. translation for the quote (try):"at the moment they have a little mess" but it does not really translate the meaning. It's kind of as if she was talking about the wool being kind of in a disorder (to use another context of gnoosch). Cute, isn't it. If it wasn't this letter I guess I could have laughed

Rahip 13.02.2008 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smithash (Post 170097)
I meant can someone point to a reference from the Swiss about marriage visas because I am 99% sure such a thing does not exist. It certainly did not exist when I got married they told me that my wife's existing visit visa was sufficient. The rules may be different if both parties are non EU nationals but my wife did not provide police checks etc. If its changed then my apologies but I checked a few web sites I used previously and can't see anything.

Now that i went through the first part of the process I understood why there must be a visa for marriage preparation. It takes more than 3 months to get everything sorted out if things go well. If not however this can take substantially longer. The longest visa you can get is 3 months, possibly extend it another three, but that's that. There could be cases where even the six months marriage preparation visa is not enough, then you can extend it for another three.

pdf from Departement Volkswirtschaft und Inneres, german only sorry: http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&ct=res...ya_mKYP9c4EMtQ

pdf application form: http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ag.ch%2F DokTabelle%2Fmigrationsamt%2Findex.php%3Fcontrolle r%3DDownload%26DokId%3D64%26Format%3Dpdf&ei=zGWzR7 OjNoTGnAPV_qG7BQ&usg=AFQjCNFjyG4jtB-mCyYf__dqbQ-OAZ7bKQ&sig2=lp-SruRi97FSH992urB1Rg

this is for everyone who needs a visa in Aargau for a stay longer than a few months of course. If one manages to get married on a tourist visa this is fine with the law also. Don't ask immigration about a visa extension for it though..

Rahip

smithash 14.02.2008 07:19

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In 2002 we married in Basel it took approx 3 weeks to do the required paperwork but there was a delay in getting my divorce papers from the UK that almost pushed my fiancée over her visa end date. When I mentioned this problem they told me they would extend the visa if necessary. ash

Rahip 14.02.2008 09:41

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good old times.. :D

febe 14.02.2008 10:07

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Yikes Rahip, you mean the link i put up is outdated?!It does seem so easy when you actually read through the process but i guess all the people in this forum who had to go through the painful process will not agree.....i haven't even strated my proceedings....thinking of doing it after i return back to Zurich in June or so.However am checking out all the stuff i would need to get done so i have an idea.

mpcd 14.02.2008 15:32

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Hi..i am new here..so a big hello to everyone here from an Indian citizen currently here on Business. I am Caitanya.

Here are some points about my best friend (Mahe) who is here also on a Business trip.

He really needs help and I cant do much for him...except write this for him.

He is so sorry that things are not looking as good as he would like..so I am writing on his behalf. If anyone can help me bring a smile back on his face...I would pray extra for them :)

1. He is on a Business visa and it will expire in about 10 days.

2. His flight out of Switzerland is booked for the 24th of Feb 2008 ... unfortunately he has to leave - his Business visa expires on March 1 2008.

3. He has the most wonderful girlfriend here. ..and he just can't leave her behind. He would rather stay here for another month atleast if he could :D

4. This lady is an Italian citizen. She has a C permit in Switzerland. She was born in Luzern and her mother is Swiss. Her dad is Italian.

5. Both are desperately in love and want to marry today :p But the laws are not so simple...are they ?

They both need advice on how to go about things.

They would prefer if he could stay here longer, arrange for any papers that are needed from here. Maybe I could go to India and arrange to send him papers that he needs ...and in the meanwhile they could live together and then get married.

Once married then they could travel together and life would be so much more happier for them...with no more visa regulations etc... what a wonderful thing ;)

Can someone help them get married ?

I am leaving to India in about a week so I could arrange for things for him. Also I have a lawyer in India and I could put him to work to help Mahe. I just dont know how to help him.

Kindly advise me. Thanks.

Guest 14.02.2008 18:45

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I'm an EU citizen on a C permit and planning the marriage with my chinese gf (she lives in China), and planning to live in Switzerland.

From what I've seen till now, I think the easiest way to deal with the situation is to get married abroad and get the marriage registered in Switzerland at the swiss consulate/embassy. This registration process takes 2-3 months. This at least is the procedure for a swissie marrying a black sheep.

Not sure if this works also for a greyish sheep (EU) marrying with a black sheep (non EU), we still have to ask directly to Zivilstandamt here and to the consulate in the far East.

Just my 2 rappen...

Maria 14.02.2008 19:06

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Hello there Argovia Calibro,

I think this is more your cup of tea. Read below for enlightenment. And oh, do read up on: EU Permits - A few bullet points
http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...irlfriend.html
http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...mit-query.html
http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...u-citizen.html

Good luck and all the best.

Cheers
Maria

Rahip 15.02.2008 01:37

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Hey mpcd

to make it short: no chance to get married or even get a visa for preparation of marriage in that time frame.

He can however try to extend his visa, not for the purpose of marriage though. Unless you find a very good reason for him to stay longer other than getting married he has to go back.

For the preparation of marriage visa he has to go back anyway, some government policy..

For details about the visa ask your local commune, for the marriage the Zivilstandsamt.

Rahip

inseldk 19.02.2008 19:34

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Hello Maria...
Well yea it may take upto 180 days.....
were your documents verified personally by the appointed authorities of the swiss embassy...well..will depend upon which part of the country you are living now and which canton in CH you are applying...
Did anyone visit your place, school, passport office to verify your documents?
Yep...have some patience.....
Greetings and regards

GBer 18.03.2008 08:49

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Is that 4000 CHF gross or net? I saw another post where it said 3300 CHF was a minimum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finngirl (Post 169617)

He got a salary of 4000 franken per month with is enough for living (from our point of view)


miniMia 18.03.2008 14:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GBer (Post 190969)
Is that 4000 CHF gross or net? I saw another post where it said 3300 CHF was a minimum.

I'm not sure 3300 will be enough for two. Where did you see that listed?

EDITED: Wait, minimum for what?? To bring sponsor a partner or to live on?


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