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Old 31.01.2008, 17:53
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Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Hi EF,

Can anyone give me any information about the Preparation of Marriage Visa/ Fiancee Visa.
I'm an Indian woman engaged to a Swiss man. Are they any Indian-Swiss couples who have been there done that? The paperwork and procedure is such a nightmare.
Flying back and forth between India and Switzerland just to be together. Now we want to get married and that takes at least 3 months after one submits tons of paper. Can't get married with a visit visa, so now I'm back in India to get a Police clearance certificate for the Preparation of Marriage Visa.
How long do you think it will take for me to return to Switzerland once they have that?


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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

my friend who is from Hong Kong waited 4 months for the fiancee visa
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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

As has been mentioned, it can take 3 - 4 months to get the visa. Keep in mind that the cantonal requirements vary, depending on your current citizenship. At least this is the case for St. Gallen. So it's always best to inquire with the canton & gemeinde well in advance to find out what is required. If you are running up against a deadline (flight arrangements, marriage date) you should inquire as to the status of your visa. Sometimes they might be missing a required document or something (& not necessarily notify you of this). They might also be able to expedite your visa application if it is getting close to your planned marriage date.

I inquired at a Swiss consulate abroad and was told that I only needed to fill out two forms, at least 60 days in advance. Namely an intent to marry and a statutory declaration (Eidesstattliche Erklärung), both in an official Swiss language. There was also the option to make the declarations in english, provided that they were subsequently translated into german by a lawyer acceptible (known) to the consulate. The forms were forwarded to the canton for review and we heard back in the affirmative, about 5 weeks later. In my case, no police check or visa was required to be married in Switzerland. The gemeinde also told me that the civil ceremony could usually be arranged on short notice. For those wishing wishing to also have a church ceremony, you would also need to fill out a marriage form (Ehedokumente) for the Diocese/parish (Diözese/Pfarrei). Of course, you might have to reserve the church much farther ahead. And in the case of the Catholic church, you would also need to present a baptismal certificate.
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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Woah...
Ok so I will probably have to go through all of this in the near future, but I was under the impression you could make the application even when you are in the country, but you need the date set etc. You can also wait in the country until the approval/rejection is made, even if it goes past your original visa expiry dates...

At least this was the impression I got when I was there and made enquiries.....

So you are saying you have to LEAVE the country, then make all the applications, wait for an approval and then you can enter?? Why can't you enter and be on a tourist visa and just be approved from there? What's the difference, and why the hell does the government get to tell us where and how we can be together?! I hate beuracracy, and this just seems like red tape and government dancing hooplas!!

Ok that's my rant, but seriously, what is the real deal and where do you get some seriously solid reliable information on this, because I have been told 3 different things in 3 different visits to the immigration office, and now it seems another different thing someone is experiencing!?

How do I get my hands on the real deal? Is there some info on a swiss government website in english, or at worst, in french?!
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..but seriously, what is the real deal and where do you get some seriously solid reliable information on this
If you are marrying a Swiss, you need to contact the gemeinde (community) where they originate and ask what is required. They will typically have a list which will tell you precisely what you need to do. The list may vary by your country. I didn't find the process difficult at all, it was actually quite straightforward.

edit, to add link - http://www.dv.admin.ch/eda/en/home/r...-Show%3D1.html

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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Hello all!

let me introduce myself in a word or two: I am currently dealing with the Gemeinde and the Zivilstandsamt about my binational marriage. When I saw this post I just had to register.. a fun forum you have here!

@itinerant: what you're saying is very important, go to the Gemeinde, the Zivilstandsamt and talk to these people.

They have a so called "Ermessensspielraum" that means they can decide how hard they make it for you to get everything. Once you go there two or three times they usually become humane. DON'T go to immigration or Ausländerpolizei, those folks are payed to keep you out. (Unless you have to of course, but they're less than helpful)

The biggest problem with the visa for preparation of marriage is that the Immigrationsamt decides if they want to give it to you. There is no right to get one as such. But in the end they have to give you a visa to get married, given you are allowed to do so.

Well, in the end all the talking to the people in the Zivistandsamt and Gemeinde is very useless the very instant the entire case is handed to the "Aufsichtsstelle" for rechecking. I received a letter basically saying that the documents are useless and that I should send them back to get the proper stamps on it. Two calls and days later it turns out that the responsible person simply hasn't checked anything but just sent it back to me. And since I live in a cow town, of course I even happen to know the son of that one I have to tell him to say hi to her once this is over..

So to sum things up: talk to Standesamt as soon as possible, you need their letter stating that you have given them the necessary papers. Afterwards it's a piece of cake, given you happen to have a police clearance on you. Go to the Gemeinde, fill out two forms, give them a passport copy and that's it!

You do NOT have to be abroad to decide to get married. However immigration doesn't help you if you are not getting married within the limits of your visa. Once you're married they have to accept that. There is no law saying you have to go back for that!

Well i hope that in the end we pass the watchful eyes of the Schweizermacher, you have to see this movie if you come across it by the way. Very old but still (again?) very true

Good luck to all of you!

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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Hi..i am new here..so a big hello to everyone here from an Indian citizen currently here on Business. I am Caitanya.

Here are some points about my best friend (Mahe) who is here also on a Business trip.

He really needs help and I cant do much for him...except write this for him.

He is so sorry that things are not looking as good as he would like..so I am writing on his behalf. If anyone can help me bring a smile back on his face...I would pray extra for them

1. He is on a Business visa and it will expire in about 10 days.

2. His flight out of Switzerland is booked for the 24th of Feb 2008 ... unfortunately he has to leave - his Business visa expires on March 1 2008.

3. He has the most wonderful girlfriend here. ..and he just can't leave her behind. He would rather stay here for another month atleast if he could

4. This lady is an Italian citizen. She has a C permit in Switzerland. She was born in Luzern and her mother is Swiss. Her dad is Italian.

5. Both are desperately in love and want to marry today But the laws are not so simple...are they ?

They both need advice on how to go about things.

They would prefer if he could stay here longer, arrange for any papers that are needed from here. Maybe I could go to India and arrange to send him papers that he needs ...and in the meanwhile they could live together and then get married.

Once married then they could travel together and life would be so much more happier for them...with no more visa regulations etc... what a wonderful thing

Can someone help them get married ?

I am leaving to India in about a week so I could arrange for things for him. Also I have a lawyer in India and I could put him to work to help Mahe. I just dont know how to help him.

Kindly advise me. Thanks.
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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

I'm an EU citizen on a C permit and planning the marriage with my chinese gf (she lives in China), and planning to live in Switzerland.

From what I've seen till now, I think the easiest way to deal with the situation is to get married abroad and get the marriage registered in Switzerland at the swiss consulate/embassy. This registration process takes 2-3 months. This at least is the procedure for a swissie marrying a black sheep.

Not sure if this works also for a greyish sheep (EU) marrying with a black sheep (non EU), we still have to ask directly to Zivilstandamt here and to the consulate in the far East.

Just my 2 rappen...
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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Hello there Argovia Calibro,

I think this is more your cup of tea. Read below for enlightenment. And oh, do read up on: EU Permits - A few bullet points
Non-EU girlfriend
UK citizen (with Chinese Spouse and USA children) permit query
L permit holder will marry EU citizen

Good luck and all the best.

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Re: Help! Preparation of Marriage Visa/Fiancee Visa

Hey mpcd

to make it short: no chance to get married or even get a visa for preparation of marriage in that time frame.

He can however try to extend his visa, not for the purpose of marriage though. Unless you find a very good reason for him to stay longer other than getting married he has to go back.

For the preparation of marriage visa he has to go back anyway, some government policy..

For details about the visa ask your local commune, for the marriage the Zivilstandsamt.

Rahip
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