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piazza 14.07.2013 22:44

C permit - my situation. is it worth it
 
So I've nearly been in CH for 5 years. I'm from oz but have a EU passport.

My work contract runs out at the end of the year (31.12) and as much as they would like to keep me, I don't intend to renew it as I feel it's time to move back. At least for a bit anyways.

So at the start of December I'm eligible for my C permit. Is it worth me getting it before I move? What are the benefits? Will I lose it anyway if I leave for even a short time? Is it a big hassle to acquire a C permit?

Looking for advice on what I should do.

Medea Fleecestealer 15.07.2013 07:41

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Originally Posted by piazza (Post 1927317)
So I've nearly been in CH for 5 years. I'm from oz but have a EU passport.

My work contract runs out at the end of the year (31.12) and as much as they would like to keep me, I don't intend to renew it as I feel it's time to move back. At least for a bit anyways.

So at the start of December I'm eligible for my C permit. Is it worth me getting it before I move? What are the benefits? Will I lose it anyway if I leave for even a short time? Is it a big hassle to acquire a C permit?

Looking for advice on what I should do.

Short answer, no. If you do not intend staying here permanently once you have it there's not a lot of point. If you want to leave Switzerland long term (more than 6 months) you have to notify your commune so a C permit can be put on hold. But the criteria for holding it is very narrow. If you don't meet the criteria and you still want to leave the C permit would be cancelled.

http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...rmit-hold.html

biff 15.07.2013 08:37

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I am in a different canton from you, so the porcess may be different. However, I received a letter from the local canton, after 4yrs 10 months of residency, asking for my last two salary slips. I sent in one. The following week, my C permit arrived in the mail, along with a 120chf bill for it. There was no other paperwork involved.

However, I am presuming that if I want to withdraw my pension contributions ( they have been a great form of compulsive saving :msngrin:) that I wil have to hand in my permits as proof that I am leaving Switzerland permanently. I'll let you know, as soon as I have that confirmed.

piazza 15.07.2013 09:43

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Thanks mate, please do let me know.

If its pretty easy to get the permit then I might consider getting. Saves having the 5 years reset back to zero if I do come back, right?

Medea Fleecestealer 15.07.2013 10:22

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Originally Posted by piazza (Post 1927538)
Thanks mate, please do let me know.

If its pretty easy to get the permit then I might consider getting. Saves having the 5 years reset back to zero if I do come back, right?

Wrong. One of the posters here has a daughter who had a C permit, went back to the UK to study and when she returned was issued with a B. As far as I know she still has it. Plus in May this year the Swiss introduced quota limits on B permits for all EU nationals as well so if the quota is filled you could easily end up with an L.

slingb 15.07.2013 11:21

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Originally Posted by piazza (Post 1927538)
Thanks mate, please do let me know.

If its pretty easy to get the permit then I might consider getting. Saves having the 5 years reset back to zero if I do come back, right?

Not quite. You can only "park" your B or C permit if your absence abroad is to carry out national service or for education purposes, or professional development (eg sent temporarily abroad by your Swiss employer). And you only get your B or C back if you have found a job in Switzerland to return to. (For B permits, the advantage of doing that is that the years counting towards the C permit don't "reset")

Otherwise, anyone with permit B or C who lived here for over 5 years and leaves for any reason, will be get a L or B to work here if they return within 2 years of leaving, and have secured a job.

So if you simply leave you cannot "park" your permit, so the clock will reset no matter what, if you return. But if you were non-EU, then getting C would be advisable, as it means that if you return within 2 years you can get any job without job-approval (though will be under B/L permit, and subject to quotas). But since you are EU, you already have this so no difference really.

piazza 16.07.2013 14:46

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Originally Posted by slingb (Post 1927676)
Not quite. You can only "park" your B or C permit if your absence abroad is to carry out national service or for education purposes, or professional development (eg sent temporarily abroad by your Swiss employer). And you only get your B or C back if you have found a job in Switzerland to return to. (For B permits, the advantage of doing that is that the years counting towards the C permit don't "reset")

Otherwise, anyone with permit B or C who lived here for over 5 years and leaves for any reason, will be get a L or B to work here if they return within 2 years of leaving, and have secured a job.

So if you simply leave you cannot "park" your permit, so the clock will reset no matter what, if you return. But if you were non-EU, then getting C would be advisable, as it means that if you return within 2 years you can get any job without job-approval (though will be under B/L permit, and subject to quotas). But since you are EU, you already have this so no difference really.

Im not sure im understanding you correctly. If I get the C permit and have a EU pass then i dont get to keep it, but if I had a non-EU pass and get the C i would get to keep it for 2 years if I went away for a while?

Medea Fleecestealer 16.07.2013 15:43

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No, you wouldn't keep it even as a non-EU.

Basically if you were non-EU employers have to go through a lot of paperwork with the Swiss authorities to prove that they can't find someone already here with a valid work permit who could do the job.

So a non-EU:
has C permit and loses it because they've left the country and don't meet the criteria to keep it
they come back within 2 years
they find a job and get a B/L permit on their return
employer is happy because they don't have to do lots of paperwork to prove that the non-EU person is better than anyone else living in Switzerland.

But as you are an EU citizen, employers don't have to do this anyway. You can simply move back here anytime, find a job and would get a B/L.

Effectively a non-EU returning within 2 years is treated the same as an EU national as far as jobs and permits go. Longer than 2 years and it's back to the same employer hassle as before.

But if neither of you meet the criteria for putting the C permit on hold then you will both lose it.

piazza 16.07.2013 20:28

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Say I wanted to keep one foot in the door here. Instead of moving out of the apartment I live I sublet it furnished while I'm away. How would I go about achieving such a thing?

(I have siblings here where I would have my mail sent to).

fatmanfilms 16.07.2013 20:48

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Originally Posted by piazza (Post 1929070)
Say I wanted to keep one foot in the door here. Instead of moving out of the apartment I live I sublet it furnished while I'm away. How would I go about achieving such a thing?

(I have siblings here where I would have my mail sent to).

You have to pay medical insurance & taxes here, to start with.

Medea Fleecestealer 16.07.2013 21:14

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1929082)
You have to pay medical insurance & taxes here, to start with.

Which you wouldn't do if you're not a resident with a job to pay taxes on. :rolleyes: Keeping your apartment won't make any difference to the C permit situation if you don't meet the criteria to hold on to it.

You have a foot in the door already. You're an EU citizen and can come back to Switzerland any time you want and get another job. You just won't be getting a C permit when you do. Unless you want to keep that particular apartment it just seems to me that you'd be making life more difficult for yourself.

piazza 16.07.2013 21:39

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 1929103)
Which you wouldn't do if you're not a resident with a job to pay taxes on. :rolleyes: Keeping your apartment won't make any difference to the C permit situation if you don't meet the criteria to hold on to it.

You have a foot in the door already. You're an EU citizen and can come back to Switzerland any time you want and get another job. You just won't be getting a C permit when you do. Unless you want to keep that particular apartment it just seems to me that you'd be making life more difficult for yourself.

Yeah id be doing it more to keep the apartment than for the sake of the visa. but would that be possible at all?

Medea Fleecestealer 19.07.2013 07:40

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1929082)
You have to pay medical insurance & taxes here, to start with.

Plus presumably you'd have to clear it with your landlord that he'd be happy with the arrangement. Also have you checked that your bank will let you keep your Swiss account open once you leave the country? I know Americans are being closed out once they leave, but not sure if other countries' nationals are having to do the same. It'll be difficult to pay your bills if you have no bank account here.

miniMia 19.07.2013 12:59

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He doesn't have to clear the sublet with the landlord. He just has to inform the landlord and do it on the up and up without a significant increase in the original rent.

It will work for a while if you keep your apartment (address), health insurance and paying your taxes here. But when you are paying taxes on an Australian salary, the gig will be up.

Why don't you just get the C permit and find another job here?

Medea Fleecestealer 19.07.2013 13:21

Re: C permit - my situation. is it worth it
 
I was thinking more of him being gone for however long with no idea on when he's coming back, if ever. Not sure the landlord would be happy to keep renting in that situation.

Also as miniMia points out, you're going to be paying Australian and Swiss taxes with no way to benefit from any tax treaties as far as I can see, so double taxation on whatever you're earning. But then again, how you would manage to pay Swiss tax if you don't have a C permit is another question. As a B permit holder presumably you pay at source, which you won't do once you move. If you get the C, then you'd have to fill in a Swiss tax form of course.

miniMia 19.07.2013 16:34

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 1931177)
I was thinking more of him being gone for however long with no idea on when he's coming back, if ever. Not sure the landlord would be happy to keep renting in that situation.

Usually a sublease is only valid through the original lease. I could be mistaken on that. I've not dealt with sublease issues in a while. Yes, he could probable get a way with it for a little while, certainly not indefinitely. The shoe will eventually drop.

So, bottom line, IMO it's probably not worth the expense and bother. Either get the C permit and stay or just go and not worry so much about leaving ties here.


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