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Old 06.08.2013, 16:30
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If you understand what there saying you deserve the swiss citizenship, more then me
Haven't a clue!!! lol
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Old 06.08.2013, 18:03
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Did the first American Burgy happen to come through Ellis Island?

I ask because our family name was changed by a 'helpful' bureaucrat when my grandfather arrived at Ellis Island. Apparently many immigrants' names were registered by mono-lingual officials who chose a more 'American' spelling.

If you think that might be the case, check the ship documents if available; likely you'll find the original family name/original spelling was given on the passenger manifest.
They changed our family name on Ellis Island too. My (Swiss lawyer) cousin made my grandfather execute a Swiss affidavit describing how the US authorities had changed his name. The cousin then handed it to me when he learned I was applying for facilitated naturalization, saying "This might help." It apparently did.

Finding his immigration entry in the online Ellis Island records belied the family's official history: He was supposedly just going to visit some uncles, but the Ellis Island entry says he intended to seek US citizenship. He really intended to stay from the start, and he did.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

How come my friend got her Swiss passport in 10 days in England for have Grandparents Swiss?
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Old 07.08.2013, 00:01
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How come my friend got her Swiss passport in 10 days in England for have Grandparents Swiss?
Simple your friends has his citizenship up to snuff
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Old 07.08.2013, 03:37
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I really would like to have my Swiss Passport and EC ID. Not just because of my Swiss roots. But other reasons as well.
I am also engaged to be Married to my girlfriend Jessica. That EC Citizenship would really come in handy because she lives in UK. Her Majesty's Customs are real sticklers unless your an EC Citizen.
If you're engaged, why go through the trouble to get a Swiss (Non-EU) passport for the purpose of emigrating to England? I suspect you are not familiar with the difficulties of obtaining a passport based only on rather distant family ties. Since you mention the shiny new US passport, I'll assume you aren't an American by birth (hell, who lives in Ohio without serious family ties....) and there are things there you'd rather not discuss with the UK border authorities?

I'm an EU passport holder, but when I married my Finnish husband (in the US), my UK passport had expired and it was easier to apply for entry to Finland with my non-expired US passport than drag my arse to the UK embassy and figure out how to renew the passport. In retrospect, I may have erred in that regard but, the bottom line is that being in possession of a US passport and an EU spouse, it's a lot easier to get a residence visa than dealing with Swiss authorities (and likely living in Switzerland for a while) to obtain a Swiss passport to the same end. The US passport will get you where you want to go as long as you are legally married, register the marriage in the UK and are willing to fill out all the paperwork required.
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If you're engaged, why go through the trouble to get a Swiss (Non-EU) passport for the purpose of emigrating to England? I suspect you are not familiar with the difficulties of obtaining a passport based only on rather distant family ties. Since you mention the shiny new US passport, I'll assume you aren't an American by birth (hell, who lives in Ohio without serious family ties....) and there are things there you'd rather not discuss with the UK border authorities?

I'm an EU passport holder, but when I married my Finnish husband (in the US), my UK passport had expired and it was easier to apply for entry to Finland with my non-expired US passport than drag my arse to the UK embassy and figure out how to renew the passport. In retrospect, I may have erred in that regard but, the bottom line is that being in possession of a US passport and an EU spouse, it's a lot easier to get a residence visa than dealing with Swiss authorities (and likely living in Switzerland for a while) to obtain a Swiss passport to the same end. The US passport will get you where you want to go as long as you are legally married, register the marriage in the UK and are willing to fill out all the paperwork required.
No I am American by Birth.
Hence the fact of trying to get European Citizenship.
My shiny new Passport is a renewal!

You have to make $40K a year in the UK plus pay 1,500 to get that Visa from the UK. And there are no Guarantees or refunds. If they deny the app your out 1,500.
Its all moot cause I don't make that kinda money.
They have changed the UK Family Laws for immigration to the point that you can't unless you make big money. So you see why I'm taking it this route. Plus I want to get in touch with my Swiss ties anyways.

See what im saying?
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Old 07.08.2013, 07:35
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Actually, the rules for UK immigration of family members is already being challenged.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/...igration-rules

But depending on what your future wife does 18,600 a year shouldn't be too difficult a target. It all depends on her work and where she/you will live as far as earning power goes of course. That figure is easy to reach in London, not so easy elsewhere.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

A forum you might find of interest:

http://talk.uk-yankee.com

Discusses the ins and outs of Americans immigrating to the UK.

Trying to come up with a chain of Swiss-ness from so distant a relative to obtan Swiss citizenship will likely be as if not more difficult than meeting UK guidelines.

(And just a note - the UK citizen must meet the financial requirements, your income is irrelevant.)

BTW, have you and your partner looked into the Surrinder Singh provision? Discussed frequently on the UK-Yankee site.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Its all been looked at months ago.
Were trying to avoid all income verification and Visa crap.

Ive already talked to Swiss Representation and it's in the works.
As Texaner has already said things are different than what they were.
The Consulate has already told me nothing to worry about. Just have to do what there telling me to do.

Neither of us meet the income for UK. Even a Marriage Visa for UK wants the same thing. Even if i were to bring her back here.
Again trying to avoid all of that. Plus going this route I gain my Swiss Citizenship to boot.

Only other option is just bringing here her and marrying her on her Visitor Visa. Then changing her Status. Cause the US wants a higher income as well. So either way were going to have to cut a corner someplace.
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Old 07.08.2013, 09:56
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They have changed the UK Family Laws for immigration to the point that you can't unless you make big money. So you see why I'm taking it this route. Plus I want to get in touch with my Swiss ties anyways.

See what im saying?
Not really, as Switzerland is not part of the EU, and the UK is not part of Schengen, so I don't see how a Swiss citizenship can possibly help in this situation.

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Not really, as Switzerland is not part of the EU, and the UK is not part of Schengen, so I don't see how a Swiss citizenship can possibly help in this situation.

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Because there under the same Agreement as the EU.
Which means a Swiss Citizenship is essentially the same.
HMS treats it the same under the Agreement...
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Old 07.08.2013, 10:27
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Not really, as Switzerland is not part of the EU, and the UK is not part of Schengen, so I don't see how a Swiss citizenship can possibly help in this situation.

Tom
Because they get included along with the EEA countries:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucitizens/
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No I am American by Birth.
Hence the fact of trying to get European Citizenship.
My shiny new Passport is a renewal!

You have to make $40K a year in the UK plus pay 1,500 to get that Visa from the UK. And there are no Guarantees or refunds. If they deny the app your out 1,500.
Its all moot cause I don't make that kinda money.
They have changed the UK Family Laws for immigration to the point that you can't unless you make big money. So you see why I'm taking it this route. Plus I want to get in touch with my Swiss ties anyways.

See what im saying?
Not entirely as the Swiss aren't just going to hand a passport over to you based on family ties that distant without some hoops to jump through, possibly including residing in Switzerland for a while. And if you think 20k quid is a high bar, just wait until you see how expensive Switzerland is.

The income requirement for immigrating non-EU spouses is pretty standard as are the fees, paperwork and waiting times for processing. If you two want to be married and want to live together, there is a lot of bureaucracy in your near future...no way around that. Also, I forgot to add that many European countries have compulsory Military service for male citizens and Switzerland is one of those. Some day, if my daughter wishes to keep her Finnish citizenship and isn't living in Finland, she'll still be required to show up and do her time in the Military (Finland requires both genders to serve).
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Not entirely as the Swiss aren't just going to hand a passport over to you based on family ties that distant without some hoops to jump through, possibly including residing in Switzerland for a while. And if you think 20k quid is a high bar, just wait until you see how expensive Switzerland is.

The income requirement for immigrating non-EU spouses is pretty standard as are the fees, paperwork and waiting times for processing. If you two want to be married and want to live together, there is a lot of bureaucracy in your near future...no way around that. Also, I forgot to add that many European countries have compulsory Military service for male citizens and Switzerland is one of those. Some day, if my daughter wishes to keep her Finnish citizenship and isn't living in Finland, she'll still be required to show up and do her time in the Military (Finland requires both genders to serve).
I will be 39 years old next month.
No Military Service.
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You're 39 and are not earning Ohio's median average wage? What do you do?
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You're 39 and are not earning Ohio's median average wage? What do you do?
Not even going to go there....
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You're 39 and are not earning Ohio's median average wage? What do you do?
I don't see what's shocking about that. It's the median wage after all, by definition 50% of workers earn less than that. And he's slightly below median age (of the workforce, not entire population) so yeah, in a median-ish kind of career path that's just about what you'd expect to find.
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I'm not shocked, just surprised, and wondering how he's going to earn a living in either UK or Switzerland should he succeed in getting his Swiss citizenship. If he's not making even $40k as he said earlier, I'd be getting worried at his age on how I'm going to survive in retirement.
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I will be 39 years old next month.
No Military Service.
Well, that's not too old for some countries. I don't know about Switzerland but, conscription for males up to 50 or 60 is part of being a citizen in some EU countries.

And everything I've read about Swiss citizenship, albeit brief, doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your optimism about getting a red passport since three generations on with no current contact with relatives in Switzerland and you have no intent on living in Switzerland, simply getting the passport to live in the UK....groan me all you want but I'd be really, really surprised if they granted you citizenship given what you have mentioned. (I'll add that even getting a Swiss B permit based on EU ties was a PITA so....)
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Well, that's not too old for some countries. I don't know about Switzerland but, conscription for males up to 50 or 60 is part of being a citizen in some EU countries.

And everything I've read about Swiss citizenship, albeit brief, doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your optimism about getting a red passport since three generations on with no current contact with relatives in Switzerland and you have no intent on living in Switzerland, simply getting the passport to live in the UK....groan me all you want but I'd be really, really surprised if they granted you citizenship given what you have mentioned.
Exactly with what Ive mentioned.
I'm keeping my mouth shut with good reason up in this Thread.
It seems like it's turned into an attack now from both sides.

So I'm going to leave it at that...
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