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Old 05.08.2013, 22:18
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Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Hopefully you all can help me.
I have been doing a Family Tree and waiting on my new US Passport to arrive.

Is it possible to Reinstate my Swiss Citizenship from my Great Grandparents?
My last name is Burgy, Im still trying to run back how it got changed from (Burki).
My Swiss line starts from my Second Great Grandfather Johannes Ignatius Burki Jr and so far goes all the way back to 1650. Almost all of them were from Worb, Bern, Switzerland. A few from Canton Luzern and some other areas around Bern.

I really would like to have my Swiss Passport and EC ID. Not just because of my Swiss roots. But other reasons as well.
I am also engaged to be Married to my girlfriend Jessica. That EC Citizenship would really come in handy because she lives in UK. Her Majesty's Customs are real sticklers unless your an EC Citizen.

So your help and comments are much apperciated
Thank you,
Shawn
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Old 05.08.2013, 22:37
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Basically, no. I believe it might be possible if your mother or father have Swiss nationality and that they forgot to register your birth with the Swiss embassy. Also you have to prove you have close ties with Switzerland. Just having Swiss great grandparents doesn't even come close to meeting the necessary criteria.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Not just Great Grandparents. Uncle's, Grand Uncles, Cousins, Aunts, Grand Aunts....etc.
I have Swiss family lines all the way back to 1650 and counting. Not done running it.
I also have close ties to Switzerland too. But keeping a long story short.
I called the Consulate in Chicago the other day.
Told me to go ahead and file the Registration Papers and show the family lines.

So I guess I will go that route and see what happens.
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I really would like to have my Swiss Passport and EC ID. [...]That EC Citizenship would really come in handy because she lives in UK. Her Majesty's Customs are real sticklers unless your an EC Citizen.

So your help and comments are much apperciated
Thank you,
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Comment numero uno - Switzerland ain't in the EC (thank god).
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Still get the same treatment as if you were...
England has been talking about pulling out too...lol
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Still get the same treatment as if you were...
Are you sure?
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

It doesn't matter how far back it goes, it's the immediate ties that matter. However if you have uncles and aunts, then the relationship must be closer than great grandparents. Only parents can provide you with those.

Good luck though. Be patient. This is decided at federal, cantonal and communal level so can take years.

Oh and Shorrick Mk2 is right. Switzerland isn't part of the EU.

Not if England pull out, you won't.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Thank you all...
Lets hope for a nice speedy job then from my Swiss Representation
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It doesn't matter how far back it goes, it's the immediate ties that matter. However if you have uncles and aunts, then the relationship must be closer than great grandparents. Only parents can provide you with those.

Good luck though. Be patient. This is decided at federal, cantonal and communal level so can take years.

Oh and Shorrick Mk2 is right. Switzerland isn't part of the EU.

Not if England pull out, you won't.
It is true that Switzerland is de jure not part of the EU. There is a robust argument however that it is a de facto EU member state as Swiss-EU bilateral accords oblige the country to comply with the overwhelming majority of EU laws and conventions as any EU member would.

Also, Switzerland's CHF/EUR peg policy is very analogous Denmark's, Lithuania's and Latvia's currency policies in regards to the EUR, essentially making Switzerland a de facto non-Eurozone ERM II participant.

Of course, the only difference is that Switzerland has a very clear path towards terminating this association with the EU in its bilateral accords (Guillotine Clause). De jure EU members don't have a clear path on this.
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Is it possible to Reinstate my Swiss Citizenship from my Great Grandparents?
My last name is Burgy, Im still trying to run back how it got changed from (Burki)...
You should definitely have a try (nothing to lose) by contacting the embassy, but be prepared for a no.. Swiss citizenship works on a "use it or lose it" basis. Just to give you an example, children born abroad by Swiss parents must declare before the age of 22 that they intend to keep the Swiss nationality, otherwise they automatically lose it. Now you are talking about great-grandparents etc.. However, do try as there are exceptions, but almost all of them need strong ties with the country, basically, living in Switzlerland. (OR if Jessica were Swiss then that would make things a lot easier!)

This info may help, but it is the *current* law, not what applied at the time of your parents-grandparents birth.
http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/1/141.0.en.pdf

PS: If you do become Swiss, dont forget you might have to do compulsory national military service too.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

OP, obviously you don't want to share your entire life story here, and that makes sense. Still, make sure you do your research.

I think you're wanting to apply for facilitated naturalization. This page gives a good summary of those that may be eligible. It looks like you need to have a parent that is Swiss, not just a great-grandparent or aunt/uncle. For sure you'll need "close ties" to Switzerland, and that's a very subjective thing from what I understand.

Also, here is just a snippet of the many threads created by others that went through the process. Some stories might be similar to yours. Just search for facilitated naturalization right here on EF and you'll have plenty of reading material.

The first 10 results:

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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

I think I've read of someone who is at least trying via their grandparents, but I've never heard that you're likely to get it with great grandparents. I think it'll depend very much on where the various births in your immediate family (greats, grands and parents) were registered, i.e. with the Swiss commune of your family, a Swiss embassy, etc. If they weren't then I doubt you'll be successful despite have other relatives here. If you can check on the various laws that were applicable at the time that may give you a better idea of where you stand.

From a quick read of a couple of the threads, it looks like you may also need to speak one of Switzerland's 4 official languages so I'd get on with learning one asap. But that is for people living here so may not be so vital when applying from abroad. You should check with the consulate though.
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...I called the Consulate in Chicago the other day.
Told me to go ahead and file the Registration Papers and show the family lines...
Be prepared for the "show the family lines" part to be very costly and time-consuming. I had to provide certified copies (long-forms, where applicable) of all marriages, births, name changes, etc., establishing an unbroken link between myself and my last registered Swiss relative. This involves contacting the various respective local (county) authorities and paying their fees for all the official documentation.

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...If you can check on the various laws that were applicable at the time that may give you a better idea of where you stand...
Current law actually dictates one's options today (and is actually more liberal than what was in place just a few years ago).

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...From a quick read of a couple of the threads, it looks like you may also need to speak one of Switzerland's 4 official languages so I'd get on with learning one asap. But that is for people living here so may not be so vital when applying from abroad. You should check with the consulate though.
I was living abroad when I applied, and the language requirement was definitely not waived.

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You should definitely have a try (nothing to lose)...
...except the time and expense involved in collecting all that certified documentation.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Grazie Mille Texan

Your post is making me feel a whole lot better about all of this.
I think this will all workout for me

On the language, I do know a small amount of German.
My Italian is probably stronger than the other National Languages

Im going to keep pushing forward i guess
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Be prepared for the "show the family lines" part to be very costly and time-consuming. I had to provide certified copies (long-forms, where applicable) of all marriages, births, name changes, etc., establishing an unbroken link between myself and my last registered Swiss relative. This involves contacting the various respective local (county) authorities and paying their fees for all the official documentation...
Sound advice. OP will almost certainly need to figure out how the name went from Burki to Burgy and prove with legal documentation that it's the same family.

OP - Be thorough and detailed with your information, and patient with the authorities.
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Hopefully you all can help me.
I have been doing a Family Tree and waiting on my new US Passport to arrive.

Is it possible to Reinstate my Swiss Citizenship from my Great Grandparents?
My last name is Burgy, Im still trying to run back how it got changed from (Burki).
My Swiss line starts from my Second Great Grandfather Johannes Ignatius Burki Jr and so far goes all the way back to 1650. Almost all of them were from Worb, Bern, Switzerland. A few from Canton Luzern and some other areas around Bern.

I really would like to have my Swiss Passport and EC ID. Not just because of my Swiss roots. But other reasons as well.
I am also engaged to be Married to my girlfriend Jessica. That EC Citizenship would really come in handy because she lives in UK. Her Majesty's Customs are real sticklers unless your an EC Citizen.

So your help and comments are much apperciated
Thank you,
Shawn
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Looks like home to me lol
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My last name is Burgy, Im still trying to run back how it got changed from (Burki).
Did the first American Burgy happen to come through Ellis Island?

I ask because our family name was changed by a 'helpful' bureaucrat when my grandfather arrived at Ellis Island. Apparently many immigrants' names were registered by mono-lingual officials who chose a more 'American' spelling .

If you think that might be the case, check the ship documents if available; likely you'll find the original family name/original spelling was given on the passenger manifest.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship from Great Grandparents

Melon,

I believe you may have that correct.
It was my 3rd Grandfather Johannes Ignatius Burki (Burgy) who immigrated threw New York in 1868. There was only room for 2 names. And on it they have him listed as "Ignatius Burke". By the way he was Born in 1794 Mett,Bern .

So you can see where my confusion is....

But that has to be him. There also has to be some type of document between his son Rudolph (Ruda) Burgy and him. But there is also his son John Burgy who was also born in Luzern. And they have his name in all records as Burgy. Which could very well be where the complete name change takes place.
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Looks like home to me lol
If you understand what there saying you deserve the swiss citizenship, more then me
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