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B -> C permit and taxes

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OH got his C permit in August, which means he won't be taxed at source anymore. His employer got all the necessary documents.

Does he have to warn the taxes himself and ask for a tax form, or will it come automatically? We havent heard anything so far.

Thanks!
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Hi all,

OH got his C permit in August, which means he won't be taxed at source anymore. His employer got all the necessary documents.

Does he have to warn the taxes himself and ask for a tax form, or will it come automatically? We havent heard anything so far.
Probably depends on canton/commune, but in BS they certainly sent us letters when we changed. Of course, I may misremember, and just be thinking of all the letters they sent us a couple of years after we changed permit, when they started to get annoyed that we'd not been paying anything for all that time
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Re: B -> C permit and taxes

We are in Vaud.

As we are not married, and I'm Swiss, I don't really know how it goes for foreigners
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Re: B -> C permit and taxes

The tax office will be informed that he has changed permits. They send out the declaration forms to everyone early in January, if he hasn't got one by Februrary he should ask.

Tell him to start saving the amount he has been paying every month, the bill will be a similar amount. He can use a tax calculator to get an accurate sum,

http://www.estv2.admin.ch/e/dienstle...uerrechner.htm
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Re: B -> C permit and taxes

I thought they would send an intermediary declaration now, to start paying some montly accounts.

OH is not good with savings, I'll have to use a tight hand...
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Re: B -> C permit and taxes

No, there'll be no intermediate payments made. My advice is to have a separate account where you can put money aside each month for tax payments and other things if needed. I use our post account for that and keep the bank one for day-to-day stuff. Use the tax figure from his salary slip as a starting point, and then maybe add a little extra just in case.

Come January you'll get the form from the authorities and all the necessary supporting paperwork from his employer, credit cards, etc. Then when the form's been filled in and sent back around May you should get payment slips to start making monthly payments.
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No, there'll be no intermediate payments made. My advice is to have a separate account where you can put money aside each month for tax payments and other things if needed. I use our post account for that and keep the bank one for day-to-day stuff. Use the tax figure from his salary slip as a starting point, and then maybe add a little extra just in case.

Come January you'll get the form from the authorities and all the necessary supporting paperwork from his employer, credit cards, etc. Then when the form's been filled in and sent back around May you should get payment slips to start making monthly payments.
That's how I do it... But OH is helpless with savings. Taxes at source were actually good for him... Which is actually why we don't have a joined account!!!

I'll try to manage all that for him. Shitty thing in January he'll have to pay back for 2013 plus start the monthly advance payments for 2014. If I can't force him to start saving now he won't be able to pay for all that.
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Re: B -> C permit and taxes

Just get him to open the account in his name and then you keep the debit card. I did that with my OH's post account card for years before we made it a joint account. That way you control what money goes out and you just need his signature for any orange slip payments you need to make. Set up a monthly standing order transfer from his bank account to the other one and that's it. If you need him to change the standing order, again you can look over his shoulder to make sure everything's okay.
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That's how I do it... But OH is helpless with savings. Taxes at source were actually good for him... Which is actually why we don't have a joined account!!!

I'll try to manage all that for him. Shitty thing in January he'll have to pay back for 2013 plus start the monthly advance payments for 2014. If I can't force him to start saving now he won't be able to pay for all that.
Nothing to stop you paying tax early, you get a good rate of interest & tax free
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Hi all,

OH got his C permit in August, which means he won't be taxed at source anymore. His employer got all the necessary documents.

Does he have to warn the taxes himself and ask for a tax form, or will it come automatically? We havent heard anything so far.

Thanks!
Note also that in Vaud in your case, the year is split, ie he will be ONLY taxed at source for Jan-Aug, and ONLY taxed normally from Sep-Dec. So there is no recaculation of taxes for the first part of the year.
(in the rules his transition will be treated "as if he was a Swiss living abroad, returning back to switzerland on 1 Sept")..
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Note also that in Vaud in your case, the year is split, ie he will be ONLY taxed at source for Jan-Aug, and ONLY taxed normally from Sep-Dec. So there is no recaculation of taxes for the first part of the year.
(in the rules his transition will be treated "as if he was a Swiss living abroad, returning back to switzerland on 1 Sept")..
I suspect thats true unless his earnings for Sept - December exceed 40k, if he has a 13 month salary thats possible even through earnings are below 120k a year.
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Note also that in Vaud in your case, the year is split, ie he will be ONLY taxed at source for Jan-Aug, and ONLY taxed normally from Sep-Dec. So there is no recaculation of taxes for the first part of the year.
(in the rules his transition will be treated "as if he was a Swiss living abroad, returning back to switzerland on 1 Sept")..
That's VERY interesting, thanks!!!

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I suspect thats true unless his earnings for Sept - December exceed 40k, if he has a 13 month salary thats possible even through earnings are below 120k a year.
Thanks goodness he's only a cleaner, so 40K is almost his yearly salary
 

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