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on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

Hi All,
I have checked the forurms and couldn't find anything matching my query.

My query is can I retain my C permit, if I take up a job abroad? I am a National of EU country A, taking up employment in EU country B.

Some of the possibilities...

Spend 1 in 4 weeks in Switzerland
Come back to Switzerland over weekends
Work and stay abroad, but keep paying health insurance, maintain an address in Switzerland.


If one is working abroad, means one is not earning an income nor on chomage in Switzerland, so is that a problem in retaining the C permit?


I am aware of the 2 year(extendable upto 4) suspension one can request for the C permit. Want to keep this as my last option and would like to explore other possibilities if available.

How does the C permit suspension affect one's Citizenship application if one decides to take up Suisse Nationality later on. I have been here 6 years already.
Does one get the C permit back after the suspension, or is it a B then?
Does one need to prove links back to Switzerland i.e. job, home etc to get it back?

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Old 03.11.2013, 20:44
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

As a resident your liable to taxes on your world wide earnings & wealth . you will get credit for any tax paid to date so probably nothing or very little to pay.

Unless your working for a Swiss company there is very little chance you can suspend your permit for more than 6 months. I looked at it last year & it will only work in very limited circumstances
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

Thanks for your response FatManFilms

Looks like you have already been throught this dilemma!

Did you explore if say also filing tax returns here, continuing the health insurance and maintain an address, would be sufficient to retain the C permit?
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

This may help:

C Permit on Hold

Unless your Swiss company is sending you abroad it's extremely unlikely that you'd get your C permit suspended. The max time out of the country otherwise is 6 months. IF you did manage to get it put on hold, on your return you would be issued with a B permit from what I've read on the forum. Yes, you would have to prove strong links to Switzerland to have any hope in hell of getting it suspended in the first place; job you're coming back to after working abroad for your Swiss company, property rented or bought, family still here, etc.

Basically the Swiss expect you to be living and working here, not flitting back and forth because you got a new job in another country. If you don't want to live/work here, then de-register and move.

This link may help too:

http://live-in-switzerland.com/e/faq...-resident.html

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Thanks for your response FatManFilms

Looks like you have already been throught this dilemma!

Did you explore if say also filing tax returns here, continuing the health insurance and maintain an address, would be sufficient to retain the C permit?
By doing tax returns your claiming to live here , you might get away with it however your clearly breaking the rules.

I decided its easier to just leave , which I will do next year. In the end as an EU citizen I can always return if I really want to, so no big deal. ( employed, self employed or self sufficient) however I don't intend to return.
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

I suggest going to the tax office to ask about the tax implications...

A colleague works in eu, has a C and pays nearly zero tax.

He went to the tax office they asked him if the money will come into ch or if its a swiss based company, if no they don't care.

The tax office even filled in the tax form for him, he has done the same and had the same answer for the last 3 years.
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I suggest going to the tax office to ask about the tax implications...

A colleague works in eu, has a C and pays nearly zero tax.

He went to the tax office they asked him if the money will come into ch or if its a swiss based company, if no they don't care.

The tax office even filled in the tax form for him, he has done the same and had the same answer for the last 3 years.

That's interesting as Switzerland does not normally just tax remitted income, but worldwide income .
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

I was very surprised and wondered if he had misunderstood but it appears correct, he is being cheeky with the tax form though.
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A colleague works in eu, has a C and pays nearly zero tax.
nearly zero tax in Switzerland or in total?
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Re: on C Permit, work abroad, "live" in Switzerland

Unless the info is volunteered I dont ask.
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I was very surprised and wondered if he had misunderstood but it appears correct, he is being cheeky with the tax form though.
I wish I had known, as I would not have had to register for AVS which was as much as the tax . It was the tax office that told me I needed to register for AVS after declaring some foreign income.
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IF you did manage to get it put on hold, on your return you would be issued with a B permit
I think there was a typo there. If you put your C permit on hold you get your C permit back, not a B permit. That's the point of putting it on hold.

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That's interesting as Switzerland does not normally just tax remitted income, but worldwide income .
You mean if you are resident here? If you are not resident here they only tax income earned in Switzerland. When we were away we only had to list income from the rental house and "wealth".



To the OP, perhaps you need to investigate if dual residency is possible or even feasible. People are allowed to live in two places. I have a friend who is dual resident on a C permit. I've never asked him the specifics though I know he is taxed in Switzerland. I imagine you need to come back often.

If you can't keep your C, as an EU you can come back and get a new B permit with a job, self sufficiency, etc. as FMF listed above.

For citizenship, if you do put your permit on hold those years don't count. Also, the federal requirement is that you need to be living back in Switzerland for a full year before you can apply even if you have met the 12 years. Then you'll have to look at whatever various cantonal/commune requirements there are.
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I think there was a typo there. If you put your C permit on hold you get your C permit back, not a B permit. That's the point of putting it on hold.



You mean if you are resident here? If you are not resident here they only tax income earned in Switzerland. When we were away we only had to list income from the rental house and "wealth".
Yes talking about residents. Non residents won't be taxed on remitted income either, as you say just earned income from within CH assuming you have a permit. As a real freelancer probably not.
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I think there was a typo there. If you put your C permit on hold you get your C permit back, not a B permit. That's the point of putting it on hold.
Well, I remember reading that one of the EF's daughters went abroad to study at university. She put her C permit on hold and was given a B on her return. I think some others have said the same. Maybe it depends on whether you're EU or not?
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Well, I remember reading that one of the EF's daughters went abroad to study at university. She put her C permit on hold and was given a B on her return. I think some others have said the same. Maybe it depends on whether you're EU or not?
Probably not. When you put your C permit "on hold" you get your permit back. Again, that is the point. If you get a B either there was a mistake in returning the right permit, or your "hold" wasn't actually approved. You need to do that and get confirmation before you go.

IIRC one EF member (non-EU) got a B permit upon return instead of a C but then he complained and they reissued him with his C.
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Well, I remember reading that one of the EF's daughters went abroad to study at university. She put her C permit on hold and was given a B on her return. I think some others have said the same. Maybe it depends on whether you're EU or not?
Education in another country is not an acceptable reason for a permit to be put on hold, it's just given up.
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Education in another country is not an acceptable reason for a permit to be put on hold, it's just given up.
Ok, FMF, I'm just curious. There's a company in Switzerland, a swiss company, that produces very specialised and high tech devices. To be able to service these products requires a years course of theory and practical based training. This happens at their worldwide, and only, training centre in the US. During the training you are employed, and paid, by the company

If you're resident in Switzerland, and employed by this company in Switzerland, how would this affect your permit if you attend this one year course?

This is purely hypothetical by the way - well, sort of.
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If you're paid by the Swiss company here and not via a local contract, which it doesn't sound as if it would be, then you should be okay to have the permit put on hold. Being sent abroad by your Swiss company is one of the acceptable reasons for doing so.
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Ok, FMF, I'm just curious. There's a company in Switzerland, a swiss company, that produces very specialised and high tech devices. To be able to service these products requires a years course of theory and practical based training. This happens at their worldwide, and only, training centre in the US. During the training you are employed, and paid, by the company

If you're resident in Switzerland, and employed by this company in Switzerland, how would this affect your permit if you attend this one year course?

This is purely hypothetical by the way - well, sort of.
Being sent by a Swiss employer is an acceptable reason to put a permit on hold. Looking after ones elderly parents & most things by choice would be rejected,
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Being sent by a Swiss employer is an acceptable reason to put a permit on hold. Looking after ones elderly parents & most things by choice would be rejected,
Not according to the law, there is nothing which rules out any particular category, just preference to certain.

Paragraph 3, page 32

https://www.bfm.admin.ch//content/da...regelung-d.pdf
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