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Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Hello everyone,

I come from non-EU country and i have worked in switzerland for complete two years now. I have got my valid B permit recently and now company has given me notice as their project is over at client place.

My question is, am i eligible now to receive unemployement money until i find another job in specidifed time (1 year i guess.) or i will have to leave the country?

Any help in this regrad will be appriciated.

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Old 06.12.2013, 13:49
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

I think it depends if your B permit is tied to your employer, i.e. it has your employer's name on the back. If so, then I believe you're supposed to wrap things up and leave the country. But if it's not a tied permit, then I would guess you should be eligible for unemployment and be able to hunt for a new job.

Not 100% sure on this so hopefully someone else with more info on this will be replying soon.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

I am watching this thread - as in my case my B permit is coming to an end on Jan1st 2014 & my current employer doesn't have a project to apply for extension! - I don't see my company's name anywhere in the permit - This being the case can a new employers apply for extension?

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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

A new employer would have to apply for a new permit I believe and have to go through the usual non-EU hiring procedure. It might be a bit easier if you still have a B permit while they're doing it, but I really don't know.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Pretty sure the OP is eligible for unemployment benefits for 18 months, the RAV will renew his permit at least for the 18 months as they are his new employer.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Thank You Medea and fatmanfilms for your feedback onthis.

@fatmanfilms - So if i understand correctly if one has B permit then he/sheis eligible to get this benefit regardless of EU and Non-EU.

Does it matter how long one held the B permit or it only depends on how longone has lived in Switzerland.

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Thank You Medea and fatmanfilms for your feedback onthis.

@fatmanfilms - So if i understand correctly if one has B permit then he/sheis eligible to get this benefit regardless of EU and Non-EU.

Does it matter how long one held the B permit or it only depends on how longone has lived in Switzerland.

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You need to have worked for a min of 12 months in the last 24, you have worked for 2 years so will get max benefits. You have a B permit now which is whats important.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

On these 24 months, 21 month i had L permit. is it not a concern?
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On these 24 months, 21 month i had L permit. is it not a concern?
No you have a B permit, your old permit is not relevant.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

I am not sure. Recently on here there have been reports of non-EU B permits not being renewed on RAV, so you might only get unemployment until the date of expiry of your current (1-year) B permit.

I would advise you to talk to RAV now to set up your unemployment benefits, in any case.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Hi Kaka,
Is your company an Indian IT company? Was your B permit applied by this Indian company?If the answer is yes, then the chances of getting RAV benefits are absolutely zero. So dont plan your things based on the RAV benefits. the permits obtained by Indian companies have several exceptions, normally unfaviurable to the permit holder.
for example, many such B permits do not have any employer name written on their back but they are very much tied to the employer ( indian company in this case)

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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

I have a question. In a case that the RAV benefits cannot be claimed due to other reasons, such as that the involved person has to leave the country because the permit tied to the original employer cannot be renewed. Will they return the contribution paid by this employee before?
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Don't think so. You might be able to claim it in your new country possibly, that's all. I think there's some sort of agreement that they pay for some months in EU countries, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Hopefully someone else can clarify.
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Don't think so. You might be able to claim it in your new country possibly, that's all. I think there's some sort of agreement that they pay for some months in EU countries, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Hopefully someone else can clarify.
But I thought that RAV benefits can only be paid if the involved person is in CH and is actively searching for a new job, no?
For example, imagine a foreigner working in CH based on a project based permit. He paid the contribution for RAV every month. Once the project is finished, he is supposed to go back immediately. This makes him impossible to stay in CH to find a new job. In this case he cannot enjoy the benefit of RAV even if he paid the contributions. If they cannot return the contributions on his leave it's a little unfair. no?
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But I thought that RAV benefits can only be paid if the involved person is in CH and is actively searching for a new job, no?
For example, imagine a foreigner working in CH based on a project based permit. He paid the contribution for RAV every month. Once the project is finished, he is supposed to go back immediately. This makes him impossible to stay in CH to find a new job. In this case he cannot enjoy the benefit of RAV even if he paid the contributions. If they cannot return the contributions on his leave it's a little unfair. no?
No, it's called life. It wouldn't matter where you worked, the unemployment wouldn't be repaid.

Pension contributions on the other hand can be paid, or transferred to a new scheme maybe. Sometimes though it just has to sit in a pension account here until you reach retirement age.
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No, it's called life. It wouldn't matter where you worked, the unemployment wouldn't be repaid.

Pension contributions on the other hand can be paid, or transferred to a new scheme maybe. Sometimes though it just has to sit in a pension account here until you reach retirement age.
According to me, that's unfair. If a person comes to work in CH and that we know from the beginning that he is tied to this work and will have to leave immediately after this job (even if he is willing to stay and find another job), he should not pay the RAV contribution from the beginning, because in any case he is not entitled to get benefit from it later.

For me it is not more fair than letting a woman to contribute to an insurance for treatment of testicle cancer...
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

Unfair or not, it's the same in every country as far as I know and just something you have to put up with if you work abroad on a temporary assignment. If you don't like it, then don't take the job.
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Re: Holding Valid B permit but project is over

No, it's not fair, I agree. That's how it is, though, and what bothers me most is that HR or immigration officials don't explain to people whom it could concern that they are, after all, not RAV-eligible, right at the very beginning of their employment.

However, I could envision a situation where it could make sense for someone on a project-based permit to contribute to RAV. Say the project ends and the person finds new employment and the new employer manages to get him a "regular" B permit.

After a year, the person loses this new job, but can now claim unemployment based on having worked for say, 2 years on the project-based permit and 1 year on the regular B. Because he contributed for 26 months, he is eligible for the full RAV benefit (400 days?), whereas if he were exempt from contributions during the project, he would have the length of RAV benefits cut.

I know this is somewhat hypothetical, but it could nevertheless happen.
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No, it's not fair, I agree. That's how it is, though, and what bothers me most is that HR or immigration officials don't explain to people whom it could concern that they are, after all, not RAV-eligible, right at the very beginning of their employment.

However, I could envision a situation where it could make sense for someone on a project-based permit to contribute to RAV. Say the project ends and the person finds new employment and the new employer manages to get him a "regular" B permit.

After a year, the person loses this new job, but can now claim unemployment based on having worked for say, 2 years on the project-based permit and 1 year on the regular B. Because he contributed for 26 months, he is eligible for the full RAV benefit (400 days?), whereas if he were exempt from contributions during the project, he would have the length of RAV benefits cut.

I know this is somewhat hypothetical, but it could nevertheless happen.
Well, there are many more things that are not clearly explained to the new employees. Not just with regard to RAV but many many things. For example, many people came to CH because of a job offer, but then who knows that the permit is project-based or tied to employer, things like this, and what could happen later if the job terminates... etc etc. These are very important to the newcomers because this might influence their plan in a long-run. But these things are never clearly explained when we go to ask for such information. There is no official documents which describes different rights/benefits/consequences of unemployment on different types of permits. So we have many unofficial information sources as EF, but for something even on EF we are never clear because there are so many versions...
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