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Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Hi all,

I have recently been offered a job in Switzerland (SG) and I am currently following the visa process, the job starts in May, but I would like to move to Switzerland next months, just to get acquainted with the place.

I currently have a german "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" valid until august, or until I unregister from my classes (end of April), my question is do you guys know if it's possible to rent a place using this visa, AND not have a place in Germany, starting may the visa process should be done for Switzerland and I either stay with my Swiss L permit or just go back to Germany on a Job search visa if the permit gets rejected, the problem is only April.

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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Well, with the residency permit from Germany you can come and stay in Schengen area for 90 days or in your case until it expires. Having said that, its for travelling reasons, "to see the place". You won't be able to rent anything in Switzerland long term. It is difficult as such and requires application procedure, showing your Swiss residency permit that you don't have yet. So you can rent something temporarily for a month like a hotel or on airbnb or stay with someone.

But here is whats more important: i understand you are non-EU citizen, right? Huge congrats on finding a job here, people struggle getting it even when they do not require any work permits. But there is quite some chance your work permit will take longer to obtain or will not be obtained at all. I would advise to focus on not losing your German residency thus not cancelling anything there vs getting acquainted with Switzerland and lose both.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Thanks for your reply, I have found a room in a Hotel for April and my probation period, but I am indeed worried about the German Visa, would you recommend applying for an extension (Job search) while my Swiss permit gets issued? I was rather surprised when my employer said he does not have a problem employing a non EU and that he does not think the government will object as it's a specialist position. However, he just sent me the papers last week, meaning I am not sure all will be done on time.
That being said, since I have a room, my worries with the German visa would be if I am allowed to keep it on the basis that I have a room in Switzerland, but not in Germany, has anyone been into such a process, I am not sure how much the Ausländersamt here in Germany would be helpful with such a request either
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

I had a similar situation. I was living in the Czech republic and company sent me in short assignment to Switzerland. Here i had no problems. As assignment was coming to the end i was offered permanent position in Swiss office. The company is big and employs a lot of foreigners so i was told the same - no worries with work permit. My Czech residency was expiring but i didn't really think about it and wise ppl advised me to reniew it no matter what. Long story short - my work permit was denied at the highest level in Bern. Now, if i didnt extend my Czech permit, id go straight home to the country of my origine.

I don't want to discourage you in any way but here is the reality. Now my situation is different but a year ago it was pretty much the worst experience of my life. So try to stay in Germany, do not give away the apartment (it is indeed a prerequisite to have a place to live when granted any type of permits in the EU but pls ask) and extend your residency any way possible.

I am a bit confused you are coming in April on your probation period. Probation period can only start once your work permit was granted. You can't engage in any sort of work relations before that - clarify with the employer.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

I will try to renew my German permit then or at least send an email to the Ausländersamt thank you.
As for the probation, it starts in May, I just thought I would move in April instead of having to find a new place here as my current rent contract expires in march.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

I would hang on to your place and visa in Germany and rather than move here long term before you get your permit approved, just visit back and forth on the weekends or for a couple of weeks' holiday. There is no guarantee that your permit will be approved by May and you can't start work without it so if there's any delay it would cause problems. Also despite your new employer's confidence, sometimes things don't get approved although if it's a specialised position you're in with a very good chance. I think too, since the recent vote to curb immigration, that applications like yours will be scrutinized even more closely, so although he may not have had a problem with approval in the past that may not be the case for any future applications he makes.

If you're resident in Switzerland then you're not resident in Germany, pure and simple. That's why I advise keeping your Germany residence for as long as you can. If you de-register in Germany and move here, then for some reason don't get granted a Swiss permit, you've become a tourist in the eyes of both countries and will find it much harder to get a job in either.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Hi,
I am having a similar situation and wanted suggestions. i Have a student visa in Germany till September, and I am currently having a L-Permit in Switzerland. I have now got a grant to work in Switzerland for 3 years, but since I am unsure of my future plans, I want to have my German residency extended, probably as a Job Search visa or so. However, I am not renting a room in Germany any more, and cannot understand how I should go about the application process. Since I live in Basel, I was considering going over to Lorrach or Weil am Rhein in DE to apply, but am unsure of if I can just show my Swiss address or if I would need to register first in Lorrach somehow. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Yes, you'll have to make a choice. Either you live/work in Switzerland or you live/work in Germany. You can't extend your German residency permit without living there. An L permit means you have to live/work in Switzerland so you either give up the new job or give up the German residency as far as I know.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

As i see it you are not in a similar situation. OP had a job offer that basically means nothing for nonEU until work permit is granted. Thus it was a dangerous idea to just move without a CH permit.

But you have got an L permit already (not sure what is "grant to work for 3 years", never heard of this). Why would you want to keep German residency? I see it as unnecessary and agree with Medea: you need to choose. The only thing worth keeping is a permanent residency which you don't have; long-term ones are dependant on a condition of work/study/spouse and live on territory of Germany. Right now you can't fulfil either.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Or, I guess you could live across the border in Germany and work is Switzerland (is this option open to non-eu?)…. but your Swiss residence permit would be replace with a commuter permit.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

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It was discussed here before: such permits are not given to nonEU.
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Re: Non EU staying a month in Switzerland with a German Student visa

Well, actually they are, it's just pretty rare for them to be issued to non-EU's. The G permit is included in the list for non-EU's here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm...t_eu_efta.html

I think you have to have lived in a border area for several months to a year before there's a chance of being granted one. Like everything else in Switzerland it depends on the canton.
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