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Old 18.05.2014, 01:16
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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It's a Zurich thing. I didn't need to do one either, in BS. Mind you, that was some years ago now, but I'm pretty sure you still don't.
Correct, no language requirement in BS or BL (yet).
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Old 27.05.2014, 12:52
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

I received my letter from the Zürich Migrationsamt today. They have asked for the following:
Employment contract
Excerpt from the debt register
Confirmation of no social help

There is no criminal record excerpt or German skills mentioned.
It could be that it comes later, but nothing as yet...
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

We got the same letter as you received, then a second letter after we'd sent back the requested paperwork requesting the German certificate.
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Old 11.06.2014, 19:46
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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We got the same letter as you received, then a second letter after we'd sent back the requested paperwork requesting the German certificate.
I got exactly that today. Not happy as it seems to give an unreasonable deadline for me to rustle up this stupid certificate, as it seems you can't just walk in somewhere and do the test. Next task is to try and persuade them to accept a B1+ certificate I got from Bellingua when I first moved over.
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Old 11.06.2014, 20:13
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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I've lived in Zurich since mid August 2009 and as a Brit I should be eligible for a C permit in August. However we are thinking of moving to Schwyz in the near future. Ideally the landlord wants us in by 1st August. I've heard stories that moving so close to the permit issuance can cause issues and means I could end up with another 5 year B permit.

Does anyone have any experience of this being true or not or any useful links?

I'm going to go to the Kreisburo in Zurich tomorrow, but I suspect they will tell me to speak to the Gemeinde in Schwyz, which is less convenient.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

I asked for an extension to give time to take the A2 exam and get the results and this was given. Permits expired in March and we were given until the end of June to get the A2 certificate, based on taking the exam at the end of April. I'd find out the first date you can take the exam and give the Migrationsamt a call.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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Eyebeebee, will you be applying in ZH or in SZ?

If in SZ, from what I hear from friends who have recently applied, the language certificate is an absolute requirement. In SZ, the following documentation is needed:

http://www.sz.ch/documents/Merkblatt...ewilligung.pdf

(I received my C permit long before the language requirements... but they are now hanging over my head should I decide one day to try to naturalization. B1 written, B2 spoken for naturalization.)
I have a friend who had been schooled in a local Swiss school (and is probably more Swiss than the Swiss themselves) and even she moved away from SZ to other Kanton to avoid the nightmare of getting a citizenship in SZ. I know discussion was about C permit here but should give some idea on how in Schwyz they just seem to be very strict on immigration.

Note on the Schwyz tax, not sure how long the tax rate will be so low as the Kanton concluded a shortfall of 140mCHF on their finances last year...think its time for them to hike up the tax rate to cover their own cost.
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Old 13.06.2014, 21:48
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

I emailed the Migrationsamt today, to see if they would take the certificate I have. Reply was send it in and we'll decide. Grrr. Not really sure what having sight of the certificate will do to influence their decision.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

Reviving an old thread.
there is some talk about the procedure to change canton if you are on a C permit in this thread but no definitive answer. apparently for EU it does not matter but for Non EU C permits, it is specifically mentioned in the letter sent with the permit that it is only valid for the canton that issued it (Zurich in this case).
so, does anybody know what is the procedure to change canton after obtaining a Non EU C permit?
the biggest question is are we protected by law that we get another C permit from the new canton and not put back to a B? assuming conditions have not changed since the time of first issuance. please note we got C permits under VINTA.


we will put off the decision to move cantons if that takes away our C permit (i mean if the C permit is not guaranteed in the new canton).


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Old 16.09.2016, 13:53
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

I don't think simply by changing your canton, your C can be put back to B. (experts on the forum can confirm this)

However, an new permit will have to be issued by your new canton, and perhaps they will charge you for that.
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Old 16.09.2016, 14:04
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

Every time you get a new permit you will need to pay, this is irrelevant to the argument.

Just because you have a C from Zurich does not oblige any other canton to give you a C. They have their own criteria and so forth. Different cantons have different rules and seem to apply them as it suits them.

I moved canton with an EU C and it was no problem, but I also know somebody who moved from Zurich to Schwyz and lost their Non EU C, but this was more than 5 years ago, maybe things have changed.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

Non-EU C permit holders have a right (Anspruch) to change cantons according to this Ct. Zurich Migrationsamt document. See section 2 Niedergelassene Ausländer:

http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...netweisung.pdf
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

C permit (EU or non-EU) allows you to change cantons and you again get a C but some cantons may ask for more paperwork than others.

An example of a mixed bag of super-easy and bearable with non-EU C permits:

Kids moved from GE to VD, registered at the commune, kept their GE-issued permits and had their new VD-issued permits simply arrive in the mail a couple of months before the expiration of the old ones without having to fill a single form.

Parents moved to VS, had to fill the change of canton form, provide the extract from the debt register and confirmation of no social assistance, plus surrender the original permits before receiving the VS-issued permits some 6 weeks later with the same expiration date as the ones from GE.
At renewal time had to fill the request form and again do the debt register and no social assistance confirmation, again surrender the original permit but this time the new permit arrived within a week.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

Hi,
Thanks for your reply. i hope what you describe is not for US citizens having a C permit. because even if US is considered Non EU, they have some special rights like automatic upgrade to C permit after 5 years. I am referring to the true Non EU (non us, canada etc) and in this case, it is not yet clear if the C permit is guaranteed by the new canton. the link posted in this thread talks about Zurich canton, so proably i have to find a similar link for the new canton and find out if they write something there about foreigners already having a C permit.


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Old 16.09.2016, 14:33
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. i hope what you describe is not for US citizens having a C permit. because even if US is considered Non EU, they have some special rights like automatic upgrade to C permit after 5 years. I am referring to the true Non EU (non us, canada etc) and in this case, it is not yet clear if the C permit is guaranteed by the new canton. the link posted in this thread talks about Zurich canton, so proably i have to find a similar link for the new canton and find out if they write something there about foreigners already having a C permit.


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Even for EU C permit holders the requirements can be different per K/Canton (especially on the language requirements)
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Old 16.09.2016, 14:38
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i hope what you describe is not for US citizens having a C permit. because even if US is considered Non EU, they have some special rights like automatic upgrade to C permit after 5 years.
No, they don't (if they change cantons).

Got mine after nine years, and was married to a Swiss.

So, nine years in CH, 7 years married, 5 years in the same canton.

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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. i hope what you describe is not for US citizens having a C permit. because even if US is considered Non EU, they have some special rights like automatic upgrade to C permit after 5 years. I am referring to the true Non EU (non us, canada etc) and in this case, it is not yet clear if the C permit is guaranteed by the new canton. the link posted in this thread talks about Zurich canton, so proably i have to find a similar link for the new canton and find out if they write something there about foreigners already having a C permit.


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Once you have a C permit, any new canton will give you a C permit.

The new canton will ask for documents as part of the process of changing cantons.
These documents are needed irrespective of permit type, and depend on the nationality of the applicant.

Dont mix up the canton change process with the process of getting a C permit for the first time ever.
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Old 16.09.2016, 14:44
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Once you have a C permit, any new canton will give you a C permit.

The new canton will ask for documents as part of the process of changing cantons.
These documents are needed irrespective of permit type, and depend on the nationality of the applicant.

Dont mix up the canton change process with the process of getting a C permit for the first time ever.


Correct. But what happens if one Kanton asks for a higher language certificate than the previous one? Isn´t that documentation you´d need to provide?
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

A language certificate is not among the documents asked for during a canton change process.

So, no language certificate will be needed even if the cantons have differing language requirements.
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Re: Impact of moving cantons just before C permit issuance.

Yes but a language requirement is a criteria for issuing a (early) C permit. so even if the canton change is approved by the new canton, they may only issue a B permit because the Non EU person does not satisfy the language requirements set by that canton. Please note different cantons have different language requirements (starting from A2 to B1). this is exactly what i am trying to find out. not only on the language aspect, some cantons may have a requirement that you must live in the canton for some years before they can issue a C permit. in that case, a Non EU goes from a C permit to a B permit simply because you have not met the residency requirements of the new canton for issuing a C permit.


and honestly, this is a big risk for Non EUs after all the hardwork of obtaining the C permit in one canton.


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