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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation Requirements (through marriage)

Facillitated naturalisation has nothing to do with the town or canton of residence, but rather the heimatort of the spouse (or other Swiss person by which one is applying).

One applies at the local town, and does intervierws, etc, but the heimatort does all the paperwork based on what the locals collect.

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It makes me mad that different cantons can have different rules about something so important. Fortunately the cantons have no say in facilitaed naturalisation!
Then you may be in for a bit of a disappointment. Facilitated naturalization must be accepted both at the federal level and at the canton of origin of your spouse (at least this was my experience 8 years ago).

Indeed, when everything is finalized, you should receive original documents from both the federal migration office in bern as well as the canton of origin.

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Facillitated naturalisation has nothing to do with the town or canton of residence, but rather the heimatort of the spouse (or other Swiss person by which one is applying).

One applies at the local town, and does intervierws, etc, but the heimatort does all the paperwork based on what the locals collect.

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Then you may be in for a bit of a disappointment. Facilitated naturalization must be accepted both at the federal level and at the canton of origin of your spouse (at least this was my experience 8 years ago).

Indeed, when everything is finalized, you should receive original documents from both the federal migration office in bern as well as the canton of origin.

Good luck!
Not according to https://www.bfm.admin.ch//bfm/en/hom...uergerung.html

Applicants are; particularly foreign spouses of Swiss nationals and foreign children, one of whose parents is Swiss

Application to be submitted to; Confederation FOM, Naturalisation Section, Quellenweg 6, 3003 Bern-Wabern

Decision-making competence; Confederation

Right of appeal; yes

Requirements at federal level ; Integration, Compliance with rule of law, No danger to internal or external security, Additional requirements depending on legal provisions

Requirements at cantonal level; None, only right to be heard and right of appeal

Requirements at communal level; None, only right to be heard and right of appeal
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Old 11.06.2014, 10:04
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation Requirements (through marriage)

Actually, according to that, the heimatort does have a say:

"The canton in question is first given a hearing and, like the community in question, has a right of appeal."

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Old 11.06.2014, 10:15
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Actually, according to that, the heimatort does have a say:

"The canton in question is first given a hearing and, like the community in question, has a right of appeal."

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Yes. But in practice they can only object if they think the person is somehow a threat to the nation and they can give an indication if they think the marriage is a shame. At my interviews they even said they don't really have a say. They just fill out the forms/questionaire.
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At my interviews they even said they don't really have a say. They just fill out the forms/questionaire.
You did your interviews at the heimatort?

Usually, it's done at your town of residence, which is rarely the same town, or even canton. In my case, it wasn't even the same language.

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You did your interviews at the heimatort?

Usually, it's done at your town of residence, which is rarely the same town, or even canton. In my case, it wasn't even the same language.

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Exactly. We are currently in Wallis, yet my Husband Heimatort is Baselstadt…. opposite ends of the country …. and he has never even lived there!
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation Requirements (through marriage)

My wife sent her application to Bern mid-year 2012. She then received a written acknowledgement by mail. A few months later the Kantonalpolizei in our Kanton of residence showed up for a surprise visit. Her German was embarrassingly poor, but she bumbled through the interview, answering questions about our marriage, children (names, ages), and our life in Switzerland (Swiss friends? Swiss clubs? Recreational activities?).

Some months later (early 2014) she was informed by Bern via letter (after paying CHF 7XX.— to the Pöstler) that she had been awarded citizenship, as long as no objection was made by the local Gemeinde or the Heimatort within the next month (or 2 months?). Less than three months after that she had her passport.
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This surprise police visit worries me... Purely because it means that I'll have to keep the apartment tidy for around a year until they've shown up No slobbing around in my PJs either!
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It makes me mad that different cantons can have different rules about something so important. Fortunately the cantons have no say in facilitaed naturalisation!

There is no 'one size fits all' for this procedure- it changes from CAnton to Canton, town to town, and even the person that does the interview, really. To some extent, this is the whole point- you can't really artificially prepare or be coached for this interview. The interviewer will very soon see if you can speak the language well- grammar per se is irrelevant, as long as you can understand and give communicative answers. An interviewed will soon pick up if they feel you are part of your community, have travelled extensively in Switzerland, know quite a bit about Switzerland, customs, etc- NOT at all as an exam- but they will 'feel' for it. It's either there or it is not. OH had the interview in Neuchâtel, although our Commune d'origine is in the Jura.

OH was asked which classes and certificates he had for French. He said he had none because he had learnt with friends and family over past 40 years- and that he only spoke French with family and neighbours, and as I am a French teacher- he checks grammar, etc, with me when necessary. She said that was fine, as it was obvious he could communicate well. I's day the fact he learnt as part of the community instead of at school, probably counted for more.

As said, there is no one formula- no official exam, no length of interview, no....Best thing you can do is get involved with your community, be it via football, tennis, ski club, pétanque- whatever- and get practising with your German. Much better to take practical speaking/listening lessons, formal or informal- than worry too much about being perfect with the grammar.
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It makes me mad that different cantons can have different rules about something so important. Fortunately the cantons have no say in facilitaed naturalisation!
Don't say that in the interview! Especially when they ask why you want to become Swiss. One is expected to wax lyrical about the uniqueness of Switzerland, not complain

btw you will find a lot of relevant information in this thread (toward the middle/end): Facilitated naturalization interview
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This surprise police visit worries me... Purely because it means that I'll have to keep the apartment tidy for around a year until they've shown up No slobbing around in my PJs either!
I wouldn't sweat it too much. It was laundry day when they showed up at our place. Wifey apologized for the clutter (drying racks, piles of clothing), and they were very understanding.
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You did your interviews at the heimatort?

Usually, it's done at your town of residence, which is rarely the same town, or even canton. In my case, it wasn't even the same language.

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No. Only in my commune of residence in Vaud and at canton level in Neuchatel. You need to do the interview in all cantons you've lived in. The opening speech and all the questions were all exactly the same.

Anyway, I don't speak Romansch so I'd be scrod if I had to interview there!


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This surprise police visit worries me... Purely because it means that I'll have to keep the apartment tidy for around a year until they've shown up No slobbing around in my PJs either!
The woman at the commune said there were no surprise visits from the police. They did say they had a form to send to the police which I imagine is a form that says I don't have a criminal record.


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No it does not. The two interviews I had were exactly the same as I said above. They read the same opening script and asked the same questions. I drove to Neuchatel for a 9 minute interview. They even asked for the same papers as Vaud did.
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You need to do the interview in all cantons you've lived in.
I didn't, just the one I lived in when I did it.

Also, I only spoke to the police, no-one else, and it was by appointment.

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I didn't, just the one I lived in when I did it.

Also, I only spoke to the police, no-one else, and it was by appointment.

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That was a loooooong time ago, darling! Things they have a'changed.
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That was a loooooong time ago, darling! Things they have a'changed.
It wasn't that long ago.

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It wasn't that long ago.

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it was during the days of one of Wolli's relatives?
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation Requirements (through marriage)

1. As the others have said, it is just 3 years married and five years in Switzerland. If you apply in Switzerland, you need to have been here the last twelve months. They don't care if you piece your 5 years together.

2. "Integration" will also depend on which town you live in. If you live in a smaller town, they might be tougher. The police asked me things like what are some Bundesrat, what are some political parties, names of newspapers, languages spoken here, etc... all in German. I just had a second interview about integration today with my town person to make him feel better about giving me the Gemeinde OK and he made it clear that he just rejected a lady who spoke only English. It is important to speak the local language and be able to explain yourself.

3. Cost: I've lived in 4 different towns throughout my broken up 5 years and so I needed 4X residence certificates and 4X debt collection certificates and I needed to write to two different tax places because you need your tax info for the last three years, plus I had to pay for the new marriage certificate from the Heimatort. I've already spent 310CHF on all that plus postage and I'm still waiting for the 750CHF bill... plus you need to pay to get the ID card, passport, etc later. I'm sure there are more bills at the end! The 750 is just the decision from Bern... and until they make a decision I need to keep renewing my B-permit for 110 CHF a year or whatever.

4. Contrary to what my Gemeinde guy said about needing to live in my new town for a whole year first, you apply directly in Bern after your 3 years married/5 years in Switzerland/12 months recently in Switzerland.

5. For me, my 3 years came before the 5, but the Migrationsamt said both on the phone and in written email that it is OK to send the documents 1-2 weeks before my 5 years residence. You can call them and double check if the same is true about the 3 years married. They just stressed to make sure your documents are all less than six months old.

6. Like I said, my Gemeinde guy was wrong about moving towns or cantons. There are NO cantonal or town requirements. Only the right to hear and appeal (which is what my guy was trying with his appt today...)

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...If you apply in Switzerland, you need to have been here the last twelve months...
My wife had only been here a few months when she applied. Nobody complained, and she was approved. (Maybe it had something to do with our already having been married 26 years.)

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...I just had a second interview about integration today with my town person to make him feel better about giving me the Gemeinde OK...
There wasn't even a first interview about a 'Gemeinde OK' in our case. We heard nothing from either Gemeinde until afterwards, when the locals cheerfully notified wifey they had generated her Wohnsitzbescheinigung (and sent her an invoice ).
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My wife had only been here a few months when she applied. Nobody complained, and she was approved. (Maybe it had something to do with our already having been married 26 years.)

There wasn't even a first interview about a 'Gemeinde OK' in our case. We heard nothing from either Gemeinde until afterwards, when the locals cheerfully notified wifey they had generated her Wohnsitzbescheinigung (and sent her an invoice ).
Haha, yes, I think the 26 years (anything over 6) had to do with that... at that point you just need to prove close ties to Switzerland, which I guess living here does quite well.

I'm just unlucky with interviews! I think normally nobody from Kanton or Gemeinde thinks twice when they get an approval from Bern... this guy just didn't have enough to do in the office. I would hate to think what would have happened if I didn't have any German skills like the lady before me...
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