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Permit C Renewal Process

Hallo EF, im sorry if this question has been answered already. my name is Jhie from kanton schwyz i have a question regarding permission "c" renewal (third country), i want to go on a holiday but my swiss permit will expire on march 28th 2015. so my questions are...

•how early i can renew my swiss permit? should i wait for notifications or i can just go to gemeinde during renewal period?
•how much does it cost?
•how long does the processing time last until i get the new one?
•will i be in trouble if i stay too much on the renewal period and they found out im not in switzerland?

this will be my first time renewing it since i get it on 2010. thank you very much EF.
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Old 21.06.2014, 11:13
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Re: Permission C Renewal Process

I'm also in canton SZ, but a different Gemeinde - for what it's worth, here is the process we have gone through for renewals:

Normally you wait until you get the renewal letter - however if you are expecting to be out of the country you should speak to the folks at Einwohnerkontrolle at your Gemeinde now - it's possible to move the process forward if the local Powers That Be agree.

Be aware that you may have to surrender your current permit, so if you are planning on traveling out of the country during the renewal process (remember, you have to show your permit on leaving and entering) you will need a temporary document. The local Einwohnerkontrolle folks will initiate the request, but you will have to pick up the temporary document at the cantonal Migrationsamt in Schwyz. Cost is ca. CHF 100, IIRC.

As for cost of the C permit renewal - CHF 130 sticks in my mind. Whether that was per permit or the cost for both my husband's and mine I can't remember.

It's about 3-4 weeks processing time - or was the last three times I renewed my C permit.

The last renewals we needed to supply copies of OH's work contract, copies of the tax declaration, statement of not having received social help, excerpt from the criminal register, excerpt from the debt register. In the first few renewals we only had to supply the last two but now it seems that more emphasis is being placed on continued employment.

I understand from friends in other SZ Gemeinde, however, that not all these documents are requested. So check with the folks in Ibach for what you need.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last point... if you let your C permit expire without starting the renewal process you could risk losing it. Some Gemeinde might be more lenient, but I personally wouldn't take the chance.

If you mean will there be a problem if you are out of the country when the new permit is issued, no - not likely an issue, unless you are gone for more than 6 months. The permit is sent to the Gemeinde, you will need to collect it from there. So notify the Gemeinde of your expected return date and arrange to collect it then.

But again, to re-enter Switzerland you will need that temporary document issued by the cantonal Migrationsamt if you do not have a valid permit with you.
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Old 21.06.2014, 11:16
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Re: Permission C Renewal Process

This is my experience in Kanton Zurich:
I received a letter from the city approx 2 months before my B expired.
I had asked if I can apply earlier and they told me this is not possible.
Cost for the C permit in my case was CHF 105. I got a notification after one week to pick up the permit, so that was really fast (but maybe it is faster when you apply - as in my case - for a EU/EFTA permit). I have read posts here that applying for a non EU/EFTA permit may take quite a bit longer.

Not sure what you mean with the last question? You can stay abroad of course but your permit will expire if you stay more than 6 months abroad normally.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

@Roegner: thanks for your reply. Currently, i am undergoing a similar situation, wherein I am finishing 10 Years being a non-EU and planning to convert to C-permit.

So, in your process of conversion, could you let me know the documents you have attached ? Eg: German certification, social help relevant info ???

thanks in advance for your reply
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Old 22.06.2014, 10:37
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

As I am from the Netherlands, I did not have to prove that I speak German at a certain level. This now is new for certain/several countries so it may be you need to prove that.
I had to give them an excerpt from the Betreibungsregister (no debt), a confirmation that I did not receive Sozialhilfe in the last 3 years and a letter from my employer stating when I started working for them, how many hours and that I am still in employment with them.
But then, as said, I come from a EU/EFTA country and the regulations will be different per country and especially if you are non EU/EFTA. Best to call your Gemeinde and ask.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

i see, that answers most of my questions. thank you.
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Re: Permission C Renewal Process

@melonconcolie - are you also from third country? roegner has a shorter processing time. thats good for him. i just don't like it when polizei have me controlled and my permit is not with me. they are quite rude sometimes. no offense.
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Old 22.06.2014, 13:33
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@melonconcolie - are you also from third country? roegner has a shorter processing time. thats good for him. .
Yes, I am non-EU.

Remember that the process is cantonal, influenced by the Gemeinde. So comparisons to the process in other cantons or other Gemeinden are not necessarily going to give you an insight.

Your best bet is to go to your Einwohnerkontrolle department at your Gemeinde and ask speicifically about processing times, ask for their recommendation in your particular situation. And then do the same at the Schwyzer Migrationsamt.

Remember - in Switzerland, everything is local.
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Re: Permission C Renewal Process

i will be, on my dayoff. thank you.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

It's also my turn to be applying for the C permit, and I got a little surprise in the post today...

I am:
* a British citizen
* married to a C-permit holder, also British
* living in Zürich, employed in Bern
* coming to the end of my 5 years on the B.

My husband upgraded from B to C last November (we were married when we moved here, but I had to wind things up in the UK so didn't officially immigrate until a few months after he did), and was asked to provide the usual three bits of documentation - employer certification, extract of debt register, extract of social assistance register.

Now I'm going through the same process, and they've asked me for all the same plus an A2 German certificate! I think I am the first person I know who has actually been asked for this (though I saw the thread from years ago where 'new' members of the EU were being asked.) Have the guidelines changed for EU nationals, or something?
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Old 23.06.2014, 14:34
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

Yes, this has changed. People from some (EU) countries now need to show proof of their language skills, some countries still do not have to do that (like the Netherlands). There have been some more threads on this earlier so you´ll probably find some more information to help you.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

OK, I did indeed find more threads - the problem I am having, though, is that these threads tend to dissolve into arguing about the necessity of learning German before they tell me whether it is even possible for a German-speaking foreigner (e.g. me) to acquire this certification within the time limit set by the Migrationsamt. Is there *anywhere* that will do me a test with a lead time of less than six weeks?

Quite frustrating, to come here speaking enough German to get by (vaguely B1ish level) and then find that I'm supposed to have gone through an Official German-Learning Process Mit Stempel Und Gebühr or else none of it counts.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

I think this was implemented several months ago already?
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OK, I did indeed find more threads - the problem I am having, though, is that these threads tend to dissolve into arguing about the necessity of learning German before they tell me whether it is even possible for a German-speaking foreigner (e.g. me) to acquire this certification within the time limit set by the Migrationsamt. Is there *anywhere* that will do me a test with a lead time of less than six weeks?

Quite frustrating, to come here speaking enough German to get by (vaguely B1ish level) and then find that I'm supposed to have gone through an Official German-Learning Process Mit Stempel Und Gebühr or else none of it counts.

The push for local language proficiency is relatively new - the test was only required in my canton in 2012, for instance. But one should expect it going forward - 'integration' is a political hot potato, and the CEFR language tests are at least one quantifiable measure. (Whether that is a useful measure is another topic for discussion...) It used to be that one simply needed be able to chat with the Migrationsamt officials - back then, speaking 'enough to get by' was acceptable. But no longer - one has to have the certificate to prove it.

And as with everything in Switzerland, the onus is on the individual to keep abreast of changes, to seek out information and take action. Not easy, I know, and certainly frustrating to weed out conflicting information - but it's the way things work here.

Your best bet would be to speak with the Migrationsamt for clarification as to which certificates, which schools are acceptable - this varies by canton. Then simply get calling. If you cannot find a school with a regularly scheduled test in your timeframe you might find a school willing to do a private exam - but it will likely cost you extra.

Good luck!



ETA:

Maybe we should compile a thread detailing which schools, which tests, are accepted by each canton...
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OK, I did indeed find more threads - the problem I am having, though, is that these threads tend to dissolve into arguing about the necessity of learning German before they tell me whether it is even possible for a German-speaking foreigner (e.g. me) to acquire this certification within the time limit set by the Migrationsamt. Is there *anywhere* that will do me a test with a lead time of less than six weeks?

Quite frustrating, to come here speaking enough German to get by (vaguely B1ish level) and then find that I'm supposed to have gone through an Official German-Learning Process Mit Stempel Und Gebühr or else none of it counts.
I think there is a test you can do at the Migrosklubschule which is accepted and can be taken in less than six weeks. Somebody posted about it on a thread on here a while ago but I can't remember who it was now.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

tla - you can write back to Migrationsamt in your kanton showing them copy of the form as evidence that you have already booked for A2 or B1 exam (TELC and Goethe are the recognized ones forsure, I know of) and they would keep your file/case open for approx 4-months.

My wife was able to do exactly the above to receive A2 cert and MA ZH were Ok with that.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

An update, for what it's worth: I called the Migrationsamt and they confirmed that, although certification of language competence has always been the rule, they've had new guidance a few months ago for how to apply that particular rule. They also said that I could ask for extra time to meet the requirement.

However...

In 2010 I had taken some B1-level classes at Bellingua - I never took the final test there because I had to go give birth instead - but I went back as soon as I had my letter and asked if they could give me some sort of record of attendance. The secretary was happy to, and put an extra Stempel on the letter to make it look good.

I just plain forgot to ask the Migrationsamt when I called them whether this letter would do, but I figured it was worth a try. I wrote a covering letter in my best officious-academic German (some exposure to the ivory tower comes in handy here) explaining that this was what I had, and that if it wasn't good enough for them I was hereby asking for time until the end of September to get a certificate.

Heard nothing for two weeks, and then the C permit arrived today! I wouldn't call this a guaranteed route - I think in my case there was a decent chunk of luck thrown in there - but on balance I guess they concluded that I have demonstrated my knowledge of German.
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I had to give them an excerpt from the Betreibungsregister (no debt), a confirmation that I did not receive Sozialhilfe in the last 3 years and a letter from my employer stating when I started working for them, how many hours and that I am still in employment with them.
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Hi, I am currently in the process of the renewal of my B->C permit and basically I have been asked the same questions.
My problem is that I have been living in Zurich for 1 year, previously in Geneva, and the data needs to go back 3 years.
I got all the information from the Zurich offices for the last year, however, anybody knows from where I could get the statement of not having received social help (Sozialhilfe) in Geneva? Do you know which department can provide this? Maybe Département de l'emploi, des affaires sociales et de la santé?

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Permit C Renewal Process

Geneva is a bit special as most of these things are done by cantonal office of some kind.

For (no) social assistance confirmation you'll need to make an appointment with Hospice General (022 420 52 00, double-check on the web) and then go there in person with the passport and current permit to fill the request form - if married you can do it for your spouse as well as long as you have her/his documents with you.
They will send you the attestation via regular mail within a week or so.

For unemployment insurance, email info.oce@etat.ge.ch and they will ask the relevant department to mail you the attestation. You can probably also phone - see https://demain.ge.ch/organisation/of...nal-emploi-oce for contact info.
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