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Renewal of permit denied - what now?

Hello English Forum,


I'm feeling a bit drained after some news I received today. I want to keep this as simple as possible.


My British girlfriend who has been living here in Switzerland for 5 years on her B Permit, received a letter today saying that she had been declined for a C Permit. The reasons cited for the refusal were that she didn't earn enough money here and also the fact that she had recieved some support towards her health care insurance payments.


I'm Swiss by the way. We were hoping to get married soon.


Of course, we are appealing and have written back to the immigration promising that she won't use anymore support for health insurance (she only had help for one year anyway. Her earnings have been very up and down, she has a seasonal job.)


What should we expect now? I don't want her to have to leave. Switzerland. I also have a steady job set up here and we maintain a nice home.


We have considered bringing forward our wedding, and when I called the Immigration Office after we receieved the letter, I asked what the procedure would be if we brought it forward, and the woman said that it was suspicious we were going to start planning a wedding after receiving this news. (Although, 2 months ago we informed them that we were going to be getting married in 2015, on her visa renewal form, so it's not like this is an impulsive decision.)


Where to go from here? Any advice appreciated.


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Old 07.07.2014, 16:02
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Welcome to the Forum. As far as I know, a denial of a C-permit doesn't mean she has to leave the country (as she is an EU citizen she can stay here as long as she can support herself). It just means she doesn't get permanent residence yet. Did they not issue her with another 1-year B instead?
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Hi

Thanks for your reply.

She got a letter of "Gewährung des rechtlichen Gehörs" [granting of the right to be heard]today where they're basically stating a "Vorgesehene Massnahme" - Widerruf der Aufenthaltsbewilligung und Wegweisung aus der Schweiz! [Proposed action" - Withdrawal of residence permit and removal from Switzerland]

Basically they're planning to send her out of the country just for that one reason that she was depending on some health care insurance payments.

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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Short of bringing the marriage forward, you could apply for either a fiancé or concubine permit for her. Here's Vaud's info on concubinage.

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...s-du-concubin/

Ask at your canton migration office about these permits and see what they say. If they're that opposed to any possibilities, then she'll just have to go back to the UK until you get married. If you truly love each other, a few months apart won't hurt. It's hard, but this is a consequence of the recent vote to curb immigration. Rules that weren't being enforced before now are.
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

You dont mention which canton she lives in... luzern? or wouldnt happen to be AG ?
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Ah sorry...she lives in Luzern with me.
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

That sounds really odd. Perhaps you should call them? I know people who have gotten their B extended, or even C, after far more governmental support than that. Good luck.
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

I know it sounds odd but I feel very confused by the whole thing. I tried calling them but they couldn't give any more information as they're waiting for our "appeal letter" to arrive that I'll send off today.
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Ultimately, who pays for her living costs?
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Re: Renewel of permit denied - what now?

Obviously she does generate an income but she was offered Prämienverbilligung [premium reduction] so she took it - not knowing that it can affect her renewal. Obviously we live together and we don't have any financial problems.

If we knew it affects her renewal then obviously we wouldn't have taken it but we got no information about it. She never took Sozialhilfe [welfare] or RAV benefits so I'm just really surprised about this.

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Re: Renewal of permit denied - what now?

Well guys,

after a lot of hassle my wife finally got her C-Permit today

Thanks for all your help.
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Well guys,

after a lot of hassle my wife finally got her C-Permit today

Thanks for all your help.
Excellent. What did you have to do?
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Re: Renewal of permit denied - what now?

Basically I wrote 2 letters saying that we're married and to please issue the new permit. I also called up once and it said that the case is still in process...so basically I just waited until last week when I got a letter saying to send in her old permit and a photo (which I already did in February but nevermind) I was able to send in another photo but I told them that the old permit is already with them...today I got the permit including invoice with no further correspondence...I guess they weren't happy that we "won" in the end haha. Oh well...we (especially my wife) couldn't be happier tho
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Oh good! So all`s well that ends well.

Congratulations on your marriage, and best wishes for your future.
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Basically I wrote 2 letters saying that we're married and to please issue the new permit. I also called up once and it said that the case is s till in process...so basically I just waited until last week when I got a letter saying to send in her old permit and a photo (which I already did in February but nevermind) I was able to send in another photo but I told them that the old permit is already with them...today I got the permit including invoice with no further correspondence...I guess they weren't happy that we "won" in the end haha. Oh well...we (especially my wife) couldn't be happier tho

Congratulations! FFWD a few years later.
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