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work permit: non EU & non-mandatory internship

Hi all,

I have been offered an 6 month internship at big international company in Zurich, but I haven't signed a contract because the position apparently was contingent on working permit.

I have a B permit expiring soon and I have applied for extension after interview and advanced talks with the company. I am a student at university where they have issued a letter that my internship is not mandatory, but they highly appreciate if students do practical training (letter that most of my colleagues received, pretty standard format), however internship might affect the length of the study period *.

The company reviewed my documents and as far as I understood they haven't applied for work permit because they already have someone in their team that is very good with Swiss law and regulation and assessed that I could not obtain a work permit because an internship is not mandatory for my studies.

I would really appreciate if you share your insight. As I have heard different reasons for not/ obtaining a work permit, I wonder where does the new regulation from the Office of Economic and Labor comes from and can I do something in my power to aid in obtaining the work permit. Is it often that students are given such "excuses" just because the companies choose applicants with witch is easier to obtain a work permit?

Thanks in advance.

* I was told by uni stuff that there is a new recent regulation by the Office for Economy and Labor that they want students to graduate from university in short period of time. They couldn't cite the new regulation so I can not look it up and read in detail.
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Old 09.07.2014, 12:03
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Re: work permit: non EU & non-mandatory internship

An internship needs to be mandatory to be able to obtain your degree. A simple "recommendation" is not enough. I can tell you that with a 100% certainty as I've dealt with exactly that for many years in my previous job up until about 3 years ago.

Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it, unless you can convince your university to write the word "compulsory" or "mandatory" in their letter. The thing is that the authorities don't typically check if that is actually true, i.e. even if it were not correct, as long as that word is in there, it will be fine. You can tell that to your university, if you like; I've recommended that to students several times and it always worked. I know it's grey zone, though...

It is untrue that this is a new regulation. It is also has nothing to do with the government wanting students to end their studies asap.

Generally, non-EU citizens qualify for a work permit in one of the following cases:
- mandatory/compulsory internship as an integral part of their studies, without which the degree could not be completed
- seasoned managers
- proven specialists in a certain field (there are very, very few)

In all cases, the company who is interested in hiring a specific person still needs to prove that there are no EU/EFTA and Swiss candidates who could do the job. That proof usually includes a list of other applicants and the reasons for their rejection as well as a more or less extensive justification letter. In the internship, additionally, that letter from the university is a must.
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Re: work permit: non EU & non-mandatory internship

Thank you for your reply. I noticed in the endorsement letter it is written that they encourage the internship, but the crucial phrase "mandatory/compulsory" is excluded and I cannot neither understand nor accept how for some students works and for others not, regardless of nationality. Regarding the EU/EFTA and Swiss candidates issue, I have been aware of that for quite a long period, but the past experiences showed that companies find their way around it. Maybe I would probably need to accept the existence of the grey zone as the only hope and disappointment at the same time as my persuasion skills are tested and not the other capabilities that are related to the job. Regardless, thanks for your insight!
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Thank you for your reply. I noticed in the endorsement letter it is written that they encourage the internship, but the crucial phrase "mandatory/compulsory" is excluded and I cannot neither understand nor accept how for some students works and for others not, regardless of nationality.
Nah, it doesn't work like that for some and not for others - it's the same rule for every non-EU student and if someone tells you otherwise, it's either not true or if the permit was approved regardless, it was nothing more than a coincidence (and in fact a slip-up by the authorities).

EU students are a different story. But EU/EFTA follows different rules than non-EUs in every respect anyway.

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Regarding the EU/EFTA and Swiss candidates issue, I have been aware of that for quite a long period, but the past experiences showed that companies find their way around it.
Some do, but mainly MNCs and frankly, they won't go through bureaucratic hell for an intern. For a senior manager maybe, but not for an intern.

Rather than trying to find a way around federal regulations, test your persuasion skills on your university and convince them to include the word "compulsory" in their letter. That will be by far the simplest route and also the one that is likely to directly lead to success in this matter.
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Re: work permit: non EU & non-mandatory internship

I've read a few of these posts from Samaire13 and have to say that a lot of it is blatantly incorrect while sounding like it is coming from very knowledgable.

Samaire13 : do you have a vendetta against people who are trying to get jobs in Switzerland?


This thread is some weeks old but in case anyone else is searching -> YES, you can get a work permit as a student for a NON-MANDATORY internship in accordance with VZAE 38

The job is then classified as Nebenerwerb.

I have three letters from the Zurich authorities approving a work permit for me under these grounds when I did both an internship and worked part-time in addition to studies.
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Re: work permit: non EU & non-mandatory internship

Thankyou....can i PM u?
 

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