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Old 19.03.2008, 01:39
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My husband, a dane, is offered a job in Zurich. He will move there in mid-April to start his job. I (Taiwanese) am thinking about joining him in Zurich later in late May. I am currently a resident in Denmark. My questions are: 1. What do I enter Switzerland as? Should I go to the Swiss embassy in Denmark to get a visa so I enter switzerland properly? 2. We were told by the Danish immigration that I will lose my danish residence permit once my husband de-registers himself in Denmark. In other words, my permit may be invalid as early as in mid april. Is it correct to say that I would teachnically be a swiss resident once my husband moves to switzerland? I wonder if potentially there is a "gap" for those non-eu spouses during the transition period when they move from one eu country to switzerland? (Note that Taiwanese cannot be in Europe without visa) 3. For those who have a non-eu spouse, does the Swiss immigration actually check the validity of your spouses' eu residence permits in the system upon arrival in the airport? Or do they just "look" at it? 4. Some people have reported that it takes a few months to get the B-permit. I am planning to visit my family in Taiwan in summer. If I do not have my residence permit by then, how would I re-enter switzerland (again, Taiwanese cannot enter switzerland as a tourist without a visa)? Hope my questions make sense. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH

hi there,

i am also from Taiwan i have limited knowledge on this matter, but i can answer some of your questions...

1. What do I enter Switzerland as?

since your husband (i assumed that he is Danish) got a job offer in Switerland, he will have no problem to get a B permit to work and live in Switzerland. and you, as his wife can enter Switerland with a spouse visa but i believe in order to obtain this, you will need to apply in advance. and according to swiss law and regulations, you will have a B permit as well becaue of your husband's status and right.

Should I go to the Swiss embassy in Denmark to get a visa so I enter switzerland properly?

you can call to ask the swiss embassy first and then i am sure they will give you instructions to apply the visa.

4. Some people have reported that it takes a few months to get the B-permit. I am planning to visit my family in Taiwan in summer. If I do not have my residence permit by then, how would I re-enter switzerland (again, Taiwanese cannot enter switzerland as a tourist without a visa)?

well, yes and no...Taiwanese citizens with Schengen visas can enter switzerland without tourist visa. i am not sure if this has changed since last year. i didn't have my B permit yet at the time and i went to Italy for Xmas on Schengen visa, and i didn't have any visa to enter switzerland but when i came back to switzerland it wasn't a problem.

hope this helps.

wish you all the best.

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Old 08.04.2008, 15:06
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non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

As a non-eu moving to Switzerland with a EU spouse, what is the procedural difference in residence permit application if entered with spouse in contrast to joining the spouse later?

If I enter with my spouse, do I still need to apply for a family reunification visa in a swiss embassy prior to entry? Or can I simply enter with my spouse as a tourist then convert my status?

When I enter with my spouse, do I need to physically show up at the canton office?

If a visa is needed before hand, how long does it usually take it to issue? Thanks
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Old 08.04.2008, 15:13
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

I'm not sure what, if any, differences in procedures there are. I'm also a non-EU citizen married to an EU citizen, and my spouse and I entered the country at the same time. Neither of us had visas, tourist or otherwise, when we entered. We submitted our passports and paperwork and applied for the auslanderweis (permit) at our local Gemeindehaus (municipal/commune hall) and we were both given B EG permits (B permit for EU citizens). It took a bit of time (a few weeks, IIRC), but there were no problems.

Not sure if this is helpful or not, but good luck.

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As a non-eu moving to Switzerland with a EU spouse, what is the procedural difference in residence permit application if entered with spouse in contrast to joining the spouse later?

If I enter with my spouse, do I still need to apply for a family reunification visa in a swiss embassy prior to entry? Or can I simply enter with my spouse as a tourist then convert my status?

When I enter with my spouse, do I need to physically show up at the canton office?

If a visa is needed before hand, how long does it usually take it to issue? Thanks
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Old 08.04.2008, 15:33
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

I am still very confused with the whole non-eu spouse thing, and the relevent info is hard to find. Some people in other posts had to apply for a family reunification visa prior to entry (if I remembered correctly, a south-african origin spouse), while some (like you) don't.
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Old 08.04.2008, 16:42
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

Perhaps I should add that I am already resident (not permanent) of the eu country where my spouse is from. Therefore technically I do not have any problems entering zurich. I just don’t know if this will pose any problem for me later on as perhaps I will have to deliver my application to a swiss embassy abroad, as many others have reported. Any idea on the new national law governing non-eu spose of eu citizen moving to CH?
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Any idea on the new national law governing non-eu spose of eu citizen moving to CH?
There is indeed a new immigration law however non-EU spouses of EU citizen moving to Switzerland are not concerned by its prescriptions.
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Old 08.04.2008, 17:15
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

I( Non-EU ) with my wife ( EU ) was in the same boat. We just
took proof to the Community(Gemeinde) that we were married.

The proof came in the form of an Apostille on the marriage
certificate. The issuing authority of the marriage certificate
can also issue the Apostille. In our case, it was the state
of California.
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

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I am still very confused with the whole non-eu spouse thing, and the relevent info is hard to find. Some people in other posts had to apply for a family reunification visa prior to entry (if I remembered correctly, a south-african origin spouse), while some (like you) don't.
That South African would be me! HI
Your situation is very different to mine, the law states that you have to make your application from your country of residence, for me that meant I have to apply here in SA, which is fine as I will make my application in Cape Town, fly to CH as a tourist (They dont need my passport) and the embassy will let me know when my passport is ready at which point I will courier it to them, and they will send it back with the permit (I have this in writing on an email from them), or alternatively they will send the permit to France and I will collect it there.... I digress... the point is that you have to apply outside of CH in your country of residence and in your case you can apply from your husbands EU country, join him in CH and then go back to collect it... technically you are not allowed to be in CF while your permit is being processed but two embassy officials said that no one would ever know (No groans please... just telling it like I was told).
Oh, and the application takes 6-8 weeks, I have to pay R450 not sure what your cost would be.

What a mouth full.... I recon that DEFINITELY deserves some rep
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Old 08.04.2008, 17:25
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

Spouse of an EU and B permit


and the big one, the sticky: EU Permits - A few bullet points
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Old 08.04.2008, 18:19
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

I guess this boils down to one quesiton:

Does a non-eu spouse moving to Switzerland at the same time with a EU spouse need to apply for a VISA prior to entry?

Please, anyone, confirm if my understanding is correct.

1. If the EU spouse enters with his or her spouse and registers in the canton office together, the spouse would NOT need to apply for a visa in an embassy. And the application process takes...a few minutes?

Please tell me where the relevant information can be found. Some Cantons accept e-registration. If so, perhaps the spouse would not need to show up personally?

2. It the EU spouse already has received a residence permit in Switzerland, the non-EU spouse wishes to join must apply for a FAMILY REUNIFICATION VISA in an embassy prior to entry, and the application process takes more than a month, and of course visa fee. After entry into Switzerland the spouse must go to the canton to register.


If true, 1st option would be most obvious one to go isn't it?
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Please tell me where the relevant information can be found.
http://www.arbeitsbewilligungen.zh.c...gesetz_eu.html
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH

I have an EU passport and work for a Swiss company, but am posted in Asia. My wife is Taiwanese. I am thinking I should apply for a B permit even I won't be in Switzerland for more than a month or two per year.

1. Can I even hold a B permit if I'm usually out of the country?
2. Can my wife apply to join me in Switzerland if I'm not usually there?

We will move to Switzerland more permanently in a couple of years but I want to get her on the track toward naturalization asap.
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I have an EU passport and work for a Swiss company, but am posted in Asia. My wife is Taiwanese. I am thinking I should apply for a B permit even I won't be in Switzerland for more than a month or two per year.

1. Can I even hold a B permit if I'm usually out of the country?
No.

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2. Can my wife apply to join me in Switzerland if I'm not usually there?

We will move to Switzerland more permanently in a couple of years but I want to get her on the track toward naturalization asap.
Unless you're registered as living here - no.
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1. Can I even hold a B permit if I'm usually out of the country?
You need to be resident in Switzerland.

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2. Can my wife apply to join me in Switzerland if I'm not usually there?
The answer is in the question - you aren't here, how can she join you?

Your situation as it sounds to me is that you would be covered either by the tourist rule or by the self registration for short term visits involving employment for gain while your wife would come as a tourist.
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

ok, looks like as long as either husband or wife is an EU citizen (I am assuming this probably has to be the one who is offered the place of employment), the other half will have no problems applying for work permit inside Switzerland as long as they arrived together.

Does anyone have experience of a situation where husband (EU-citizen) and wife (non-EU citizen) arrive in Switzerland separately but wife has not applied for a visa?

Is the non-EU citizen sent back to the country s/he came from and wait there until the application is processed?

We have a situation where my husband (EU) has been offered a position in Geneva area. I am a U.S. citizen, and we both live in Australia. We were told by the company that I would have to apply for a visa and that it would take about 3 months to receive it. However, they would like my husband to start at the beginning of next month. This would mean that I would have to wait here in Australia for some months.

Because of a short notice and having to organize shipping of our household goods, we are not able to fly in at the same time. Another issue is that we are here in Australia on a so-called 457 visa, which is tied to my husbands current employment. After he leaves, I will need to apply for an extension if I were to stay here longer than 28 days.

For these reasons I would like to know what the consequences would be from coming to Switzerland about that 28 days later than my husband?
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

Just a thought - how about coming with your husband for the first week or 2, find a place where you want to live, go register with your husband at that community where they'll then send off both your documents to be processed. That might save you from the issues of arriving separately.

Btw, I was in a similar situation - EU/non-EU and we registered with the local community to get the process going even while we were living in a holiday flat. If you move, just deregister from one community and register at your new community. If the B-permit haven't arrived before you move, they'll send it to your new community who will then inform you when it arrives.

We've been here almost 2 months but still haven't received out B-permit as apparently there's been delays in Bern.
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

the B-permit can take ages especially when it involves someone depending on the 'main' permit holder.

Hope this clears it out:-
If an EU-spouse works in CH, he/she will get a B-permit and his/her partner(EU or non-EU) will automatically get a B-permit as well.

If you have a valid (resident) visa from the EU country your spouse is in, you will not need additional visa to come into CH.

If you enter to CH, you will be required to register with your community council no matter if you come in with your spouse or later. All permit application will be done thru your council.

There is a 'gap' for EU resident visa holder where your EU spouse transit from EU to CH (also the waiting period for the B-permit) and you can still use your EU visa unless there is a non-valid stamp on it (done by the imigration office in EU).

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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

Just to come back to share my experience.

My husband was told by his company in CH (which btw called the immigration in Zurich) that I do need a proper visa to enter Switzerland. Therefore, we applied for a visa in the Swiss embassy in Denmark. The application includes a copy of the marriage certificate. We applied more than six weeks ago.

Last week my husband received a letter from the immigration saying that he needs to additionally provide 1. a official letter from the danish government that we are married and 2. a letter from the landlord here in Switzerland that I am allowed to stay with him in the apartment.

We are still in the process of gathering the document. I have no idea how much longer it will take for them to process the application.

It is very puzzling that some non-eu spouses can just get a residence permit without a visa, according to some posts here. I just don't get it. Perhaps they were already a permanent resident of the EU country where their spouse is from. Or perhaps each canton does things differently.

And no, I could not find the relevant info on the immigration website...

The uncertainty is a bit annoying, however, I can enter switzerland freely as a tourist. I guess I'll just wait in Switzerland while the permit is in process.
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Re: non-eu spouse moving to CH with eu-spouse

Hello
Could anyone please clarify some question: I'm non-EU citizen married to EU husband. We are both living in Ireland. I would like to undertake some position in one of the non-governmental organisations, which doesnt provide any work permit support. Am I eligible to work / apply for work permit in Switzerland despite of me and my hasband still living and working in Ireland ?
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