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Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

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I have an offer for researcher position at St. Gellen university. In the internal labels, it is a postdoctoral level, but is not going to be mentioned in the job title. I was told that I can get regular B permit (quota required) for this position. Is that true? BTW, I am non-EU citizen and have my PhD from French part of Switzerland.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

Depends on what you mean by "regular". Non-EU B permits usually are only valid for a year at a time and not 5 years as they are for EU nationals. But there's really no way to say what'll you'll get. They may apply for a B, but you could end up with an L instead.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

Thanks a lot for your reply. I meant a B permit which is at the same level as Work B permit (not the one which is Formation Avec Activite). The goal is to get the C permit. I have been in Switzerland for about 6 years (master and PhD). So, if I get a Work B permit, my student time will be counted towards C permit.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

I also had a postdoc position and received an L permit.
I was told if I am here for more than 3 years, than I may receive a B permit.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

Did you already have B permit and then got L or it was your first entrance to CH?
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

this is my first entrance to CH.
I didn't have a B permit prior to this.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

Thanks for clarification. Coming back to my initial question, I am just wondering whether University of St. Gallen can apply for real work permit for me (quota required). I know that at EPFL and ETHZ, postdocs are considered as student (like PhD students) not staff. My plan is to stay 2-3 more years in Switzerland with real work permit to finally turn it to C permit.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

Well, they may apply for that, but there's no guarantee that's what you'll get. You'll just have to wait and see what the Swiss authorities decide to give you.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

I believe a small part of it is upto chance (I know people who were in the same position as me got B permits).

However, its mostly dependent on the duration of your contract. If your postdoc appointment is more than 3 years, you might have a chance.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

I've been a postdoc for in Fribourg for 5 years (non-EU) and still on a "student" B permit.
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Re: Regular B Permit with Postdoctoral position

The contract that I have been offered is for 3 years. I was told that they will not mention Postdoc in my contract to be treated as kind of faculty member. But I am not sure how it works as long as it's not assistant prof. Guys at authorities will easy understand that it's postdoc like position
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I've been a postdoc for in Fribourg for 5 years (non-EU) and still on a "student" B permit.
That's strange... Our postdocs (University Bern) have regular B permit (definitely not a student B permit with "Study with income"). Their B permits are tied to the employer though, as most non-EU B permit, but definitely not student permit.
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The contract that I have been offered is for 3 years. I was told that they will not mention Postdoc in my contract to be treated as kind of faculty member. But I am not sure how it works as long as it's not assistant prof. Guys at authorities will easy understand that it's postdoc like position
You have to know what is the exact title in the contract (if they do not say postdoc).

Btw, as in my previous thread, in Bern, postdocs by default have regular B permits (not student permits).
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That's strange... Our postdocs (University Bern) have regular B permit (definitely not a student B permit with "Study with income"). Their B permits are tied to the employer though, as most non-EU B permit, but definitely not student permit.
As far as I know it's pretty common practice - but specifically for NON-EU (all the EU postdocs I know have regular B permits tied to the employer). That way the quota remains untouched.
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As far as I know it's pretty common practice - but specifically for NON-EU (all the EU postdocs I know have regular B permits tied to the employer). That way the quota remains untouched.
OK. Maybe it's a little different here at bern. Here when we want to hire a non-eu postdoc, we have to post advertisements and write the letter to the cantonal labor market office about for example how many people applied and why we choose this non-eu applicant. afterwards he will get an L or B permit, but not a student permit. We have done this many times, and each time the canton approves our permit applications very quickly (usually in weeks, longest record was 2 months). I have no idea whether the quota is still applied for these non-eu postdoc though or if they are really "regular" permit or a special "posrdoc" permit which you cannot tell the difference from a regular permit from what is written on it.

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